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Old 12-22-2019, 07:38 AM   #2241
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Such a great episode... main event was so fun
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Old 12-22-2019, 08:49 AM   #2242
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That's basically been the main recurring online complaint about Cody and his spotlight in AEW.

Its a double edge-sword since his NWA-like stuff has helped make the show feel different and been among the best parts of AEW but at the same time its also where the constant "Triple H" comparisons have been made and people feeling his stuff comes off more like WWE but handled better than what AEW was promoting and has been as a company.

AEW's early success wasn't because of Cody's vision of the company but because they promised to treat wrestling better than WWE has and also bring in a mix of styles than have a single defining style. The sports-like focus being one of those mix of styles that people ended up assuming it meant they were going to lean heavily towards the NJPW way of things.
This makes no sense. He's been the best part of the show and doesn't act like HHH at all. Anyone making that comparison is plainly incorrect. The only reason you'd have to compare him to HHH was that stupid spot with the throne--

WWE light would be them ramming dog food in peoples' mouths and doing bra and panties matches. Frankly, you're offbase on this one, Smeat.

I don't doubt Omega and the Bucks' talent, I've seen them do some great work. I just don't think that great work has occurred in AEW.
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Old 12-22-2019, 11:58 AM   #2243
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This makes no sense. He's been the best part of the show and doesn't act like HHH at all. Anyone making that comparison is plainly incorrect. The only reason you'd have to compare him to HHH was that stupid spot with the throne--

WWE light would be them ramming dog food in peoples' mouths and doing bra and panties matches. Frankly, you're offbase on this one, Smeat.

I don't doubt Omega and the Bucks' talent, I've seen them do some great work. I just don't think that great work has occurred in AEW.
WWE hasn't had a bra and panties match in like 13 years.

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Old 12-22-2019, 12:05 PM   #2244
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I was being hyperbolic you w33n
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I miss those matches lol
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Old 12-22-2019, 04:27 PM   #2246
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There's a lot of fans that prefer those matches to current women's wrestling.
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:15 PM   #2247
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Those fans are mongoloids who should be euthanized, not catered to.
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:24 PM   #2248
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Those are the fans they are trying to court though. "The lapsed fan from the Attitude Era". I unfortunately have spoken to quite a few of these cretins. They exist and there's way more of them than you'd believe.
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Honestly don't think that "old lapsed Attitude Era fans" would even be looking for the "same thing" nowadays.... just can't see the "same stuff" appealing to them these days.....
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:28 PM   #2250
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They would be bored to tears with these long matches.
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:42 PM   #2251
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When people say they want the Attitude Era back, what they really mean is they want wrestling to be fun. Have you watched the Attitude Era recently? 80% of it is garbage. I don’t know anyone who is clamoring for more Road Dogg v. Headbanger Thrasher matches. But we all tolerated it because it was part of the spectacle of Austin and McMahon.
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1998 Raw is atrocious. I tried to go back and watch and I couldn't get through.

I've also watched it on the network with a couple of friends who more or less stopped watching after 2001 and they were eating it up

That's all they wanted to watch.
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:54 PM   #2253
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Fans don't necessarily know what they want. And you can't replicate Stone Cold Steve Austin or the Rock.

I just don't think the way to more viewers is blowing your load with long, over-the-top matches.

You get there with good stories and establishing characters on your T.V. IMO. Then, when the PPVs come around, you go 100% to give fans' their money's worth.
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:57 PM   #2254
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in other words, long, taxing, dramatic matches should be something special. Not something you see on any given Tuesday.

There's a fine balance to giving fans just enough on your TV, where the action is hot but not overabundant.
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Old 12-22-2019, 07:16 PM   #2255
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The Attitude Era was great because it had stars. AEW has 3 stars: Jericho, Moxley, and Cody. And Cody has said he’s taking a backseat. So they need more stars. But who can you develop? MJF is an obvious choice who is basically the next Randy Orton but he needs time. PAC and Omega are two of the best in the world but I dunno about star quality. Page isn’t there yet.
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Old 12-22-2019, 07:49 PM   #2256
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They have to do more for those guys that they choose though.

Too much 50/50 booking already. Nobody seems strong except maybe MJF and Jericho. Though, if they're going by the NWA methodology, there's a chance the strong heels are by design. Because the booking is centered around the chase of the bad guy on top and not one dominant face champ. Or so I've heard.
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Old 12-22-2019, 09:13 PM   #2257
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The Attitude Era was great because it had stars. AEW has 3 stars: Jericho, Moxley, and Cody. And Cody has said he’s taking a backseat. So they need more stars. But who can you develop? MJF is an obvious choice who is basically the next Randy Orton but he needs time. PAC and Omega are two of the best in the world but I dunno about star quality. Page isn’t there yet.
Omega and Fenix are probably the best choices they currently have in regards to the short term. Fenix is the more valuable of the two since he can grow the Hispanic market for AEW and also strengthen their partnership with AAA.

Omega should have already been an established star for AEW but he mentioned before about wanting to take it easy this year for himself and being more focused on making sure the women's division was on very stable ground first. Based on what he said about the division for early 2020, that goal is almost done and he's likely going to start ramping things up for himself very soon.
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And he also released a magnificent statement via Tweet that I can’t be bothered to find right now where he blamed that “massive whale” for releasing the footage to try to latch on to his rising star.
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In another sign that an NJPW/AEW working agreement may have been reached....Tanahashi says he intends on asking for an AEW World Title match if he beats Jericho at the Dome
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If that's the case, I want an official announcement that the Ring of Honor partnership is over.
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Old 12-23-2019, 04:44 PM   #2265
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I feel like a NJPW boost would be very beneficial to AEW. Tanahashi beats Jericho at WrestleKingdom, imagine if he then defeated him on Dynamite or at a PPV. Then lost his first defense to Kenny.
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Old 12-23-2019, 04:45 PM   #2266
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ROH has nobody left that New Japan really want, Cobb is likely going to sign with NJPW directly when his contract is up, Scurll is gone, Cabana is gone. Cant think of anyone else of note they've even brought over this year.

A partnership would be great for AEW, not sure it really does all that much for New Japan. Would be cool for Tana though, maybe they could make use of some other singles guys who are in a holding pattern and give them something to do - EVIL, Suzuki, Goto, Ishii etc. I guess it would New Japan a boost in their somewhat lacking tag divisions (if Gedo even cares about that), maybe provide them with more Jr Heavyweights for tournaments.
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Of course because why would you DVR NXT when it is added to the network the following day?

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ROH has nobody left that New Japan really want, Cobb is likely going to sign with NJPW directly when his contract is up, Scurll is gone, Cabana is gone. Cant think of anyone else of note they've even brought over this year.

A partnership would be great for AEW, not sure it really does all that much for New Japan. Would be cool for Tana though, maybe they could make use of some other singles guys who are in a holding pattern and give them something to do - EVIL, Suzuki, Goto, Ishii etc. I guess it would New Japan a boost in their somewhat lacking tag divisions (if Gedo even cares about that), maybe provide them with more Jr Heavyweights for tournaments.
At this point, AAA grabbing all the notable US indie companies for partnerships and CMLL still sticking with NJPW despite the Dragon Lee situation are likely the only reasons why the ROH-NJPW partnership still exists. MLW, AEW, and Impact are all with AAA while NWA has less to offer than ROH does.

NJPW would get a big boost in terms of US star power by getting access to the Elite crew again. They took a noticeable hit in both star power and merch sales in the US when the Elite left. Unlike ROH, they did start improving their situation towards the latter half of the year but having those guys around would still be a big boost for the company.
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ROH has nobody left that New Japan really want, Cobb is likely going to sign with NJPW directly when his contract is up, Scurll is gone, Cabana is gone. Cant think of anyone else of note they've even brought over this year.

A partnership would be great for AEW, not sure it really does all that much for New Japan. Would be cool for Tana though, maybe they could make use of some other singles guys who are in a holding pattern and give them something to do - EVIL, Suzuki, Goto, Ishii etc. I guess it would New Japan a boost in their somewhat lacking tag divisions (if Gedo even cares about that), maybe provide them with more Jr Heavyweights for tournaments.
I think that NJPW and AXS are almost about to come to an end. NJPW of America could absolutely use some TNT rub on Dynamite.
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Old 12-23-2019, 06:33 PM   #2271
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If I was Tony Kahn I'd angle to get a deal with NJPW. I'd say one condition in that nobody working in AEW from the AAA deal can work in the same match as someone working for CMLL through NJPW, which isn't common anyway. I'd encourage my younger talents to sign contracts with MLW or WOW, work for any company other than WWE/NXT/WWN, ROH, Impact and CMLL (to keep AAA happy).

AEW really never needs to do house shows. Instead, letting their workers make indie dates all over the world, they will stay relevant and original, which honing their craft in the way which makes a world class wrestler.
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Of course they'd find a way to blame Cornette.
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In another sign that an NJPW/AEW working agreement may have been reached....Tanahashi says he intends on asking for an AEW World Title match if he beats Jericho at the Dome
All that means is Jericho wins
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Of course they'd find a way to blame Cornette.
LOL, Jim Cornette totally taught fans to not overlook horrible examples of bad wrestling spots. Before him we never would have even considered it!
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If I was Tony Kahn I'd angle to get a deal with NJPW. I'd say one condition in that nobody working in AEW from the AAA deal can work in the same match as someone working for CMLL through NJPW, which isn't common anyway. I'd encourage my younger talents to sign contracts with MLW or WOW, work for any company other than WWE/NXT/WWN, ROH, Impact and CMLL (to keep AAA happy).

AEW really never needs to do house shows. Instead, letting their workers make indie dates all over the world, they will stay relevant and original, which honing their craft in the way which makes a world class wrestler.
No promotion that has a weekly television show should need to do house shows in this day and age. Preaching to the choir but jfc WWE has 7 hours of live TV a week plus PPVs.
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AEW is just fine with what they have going. Dynamite, Dark, and even BTE is more than enough.
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All that means is Jericho wins
I dunno, the whole point of his run there is to put over NJPW's talent. Only person he totally went over is EVIL. Beat Naito but gave him his win back. Lost to Okada. Lost to Kenny, but Kenny gave the win back in another company.

Tana beating Jericho at the Dome and then returning the favor by losing in an AEW Title defense seems like classic booking.
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No promotion that has a weekly television show should need to do house shows in this day and age. Preaching to the choir but jfc WWE has 7 hours of live TV a week plus PPVs.
House shows are utterly pointless. I guess they make sense for overseas tours, but in the States I don't see the appeal. They make a small profit at best, and it's such an old system. Nobody needs the reps.
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I dunno, the whole point of his run there is to put over NJPW's talent. Only person he totally went over is EVIL. Beat Naito but gave him his win back. Lost to Okada. Lost to Kenny, but Kenny gave the win back in another company.

Tana beating Jericho at the Dome and then returning the favor by losing in an AEW Title defense seems like classic booking.
I think Tanahashi wins and there is no AEW Title match.
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