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Old 02-25-2016, 02:08 PM   #23161
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You mean AJ Styles and Chris Jericho fighting twice on TV before the PPV didn't make you really eager to order the PPV or join the network?
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:24 PM   #23162
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:28 PM   #23163
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Should be his Mania entrance this year
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:31 PM   #23164
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You mean AJ Styles and Chris Jericho fighting twice on TV before the PPV didn't make you really eager to order the PPV or join the network?
Why would you complain about this match, either on free tv or PPV? It's going to be different and awesome each time.
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:56 PM   #23165
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:05 PM   #23166
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The handling of Breeze is mind-boggling. He's the type of character that should have had 6 weeks of vignettes building the character up. Instead he debuted out of the blue on SmackDown! of all places.

He should have a minder, or security team, or a full blown entourage with an over-worked, under-appreciated PA, make up artist, personal stylist, etc. add on the "Tyler Breeze has entered the building" (or do a dual-screen with his posse shown arriving).
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:06 PM   #23167
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Why would you complain about this match, either on free tv or PPV? It's going to be different and awesome each time.
Not complaining about the matches but the first 1-on-1 match between the 2 guys should have happened on the PPV not free TV.

Promotion 101, come on guys.
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:17 PM   #23168
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The handling of Breeze is mind-boggling. He's the type of character that should have had 6 weeks of vignettes building the character up. Instead he debuted out of the blue on SmackDown! of all places.

He should have a minder, or security team, or a full blown entourage with an over-worked, under-appreciated PA, make up artist, personal stylist, etc. add on the "Tyler Breeze has entered the building" (or do a dual-screen with his posse shown arriving).
Too similar to what the Miz did or tried recently from the Mizdow period although it would have been a perfect time to call Breeze up as one of Miz's entourage. He'd get enough screen time like Mizdow got and Miz or Mizdow as his first major feud would have been way better than Ziggler.

Biggest mistakes with his call-up was the WWE just making him a useless pawn in the Summer-Ziggler-Rusev feud and flat out not understanding how important his entrance is to his character.
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:40 PM   #23169
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Not complaining about the matches but the first 1-on-1 match between the 2 guys should have happened on the PPV not free TV.

Promotion 101, come on guys.
I do understand that logic but it's a logic that WWE has broken away from. For better or worse. I don't mind, it made that debut Raw for AJ an awesome experience. And the story told was two out of three falls, which could have culminated at Wrestlemania but clearly they have another plan.
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Old 02-25-2016, 04:53 PM   #23170
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You mean AJ Styles and Chris Jericho fighting twice on TV before the PPV didn't make you really eager to order the PPV or join the network?
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Old 02-25-2016, 04:58 PM   #23171
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The handling of Breeze is mind-boggling. He's the type of character that should have had 6 weeks of vignettes building the character up. Instead he debuted out of the blue on SmackDown! of all places.

He should have a minder, or security team, or a full blown entourage with an over-worked, under-appreciated PA, make up artist, personal stylist, etc. add on the "Tyler Breeze has entered the building" (or do a dual-screen with his posse shown arriving).
I almost feel like he was called up to have an ending to Breaking Ground.

I hope the kid succeeds, but I just don't see what stands out about his gimmick, ring work, or mic skills.

A lot of people miss the fact that WWE has a ton of studs on the roster. So it's one thing to make the roster, it's another to stand out enough to get noticed.

Just as an example, Neville seems to be more talented, but even he's barely kept his spot, mainly due to lack of charisma.

I agree that Breeze could have been introduced better, but seeing his work makes me think he was never going anywhere.
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Old 02-25-2016, 05:06 PM   #23172
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I loved Breeze on NXT, but it was fairly obvious that it would be a "go nowhere" gimmick on the main roster.
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Old 02-25-2016, 05:10 PM   #23173
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Remember when Fandango had his own entrance stage and a giant light-brite of himself as part of his entrance? I had kind of forgotten about it.
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Old 02-25-2016, 05:12 PM   #23174
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It's like that perfect 10 guy. His gimmick would get over for a minute in WWE. But long term it will run is course, and he has to be able to get something else over.

It reminds me a lot of how some people thought guys like Sandow and Fandago were not pushed enough. Reality was they were comedy guys or guys who could play one note. You don't want those guys in the orchestra.
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Old 02-25-2016, 05:14 PM   #23175
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You mean AJ Styles and Chris Jericho fighting twice on TV before the PPV didn't make you really eager to order the PPV or join the network?
Except people more or less know who both Jericho and Styles are. It was basically an intro to Styles for the 2 or 3 who didn't.
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Old 02-25-2016, 05:19 PM   #23177
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Except people more or less know who both Jericho and Styles are. It was basically an intro to Styles for the 2 or 3 who didn't.
If you want Styles to fight Jericho at the PPV and be a selling point don't have the fight happen on free TV first.
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It's like that perfect 10 guy. His gimmick would get over for a minute in WWE. But long term it will run is course, and he has to be able to get something else over.

It reminds me a lot of how some people thought guys like Sandow and Fandago were not pushed enough. Reality was they were comedy guys or guys who could play one note. You don't want those guys in the orchestra.
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Old 02-25-2016, 05:25 PM   #23180
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Remember when Fandango had his own entrance stage and a giant light-brite of himself as part of his entrance? I had kind of forgotten about it.
Goes to show WWE gave him every chance to succeed
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Old 02-25-2016, 05:32 PM   #23181
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Giving him that gimmick in the first place sabotaged his chance to succeed
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Just as an example, Neville seems to be more talented, but even he's barely kept his spot, mainly due to lack of charisma.
Neville seemed plenty charismatic in backstage segments on NXT. Especially in segments with Breeze. He's just, y'know, never in any of those anymore.
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Just as an example, Neville seems to be more talented, but even he's barely kept his spot, mainly due to lack of charisma.

I agree that Breeze could have been introduced better, but seeing his work makes me think he was never going anywhere.
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WWE giving Neville nothing important to do nor a Kofi-like role as the big high flyer is why he's having trouble staying relevant.

WWE has completely botched using Breeze since his call-up. While his current gimmick does have its limits, the WWE has done nothing to help him get over or be relevant.
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Giving him that gimmick in the first place sabotaged his chance to succeed
Yeah well its definitely limiting.

But at the same time, if the talent was good enough, he would have got over without the gimmick. He's another in a long list of average guys.
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Neville seemed plenty charismatic in backstage segments on NXT. Especially in segments with Breeze. He's just, y'know, never in any of those anymore.
He's had chances to talk. He looks like a deer in the headlights. NXT is a different animal. Everything is pre taped and re taped, so your promos look better. When you get to RAW you need to be able to swim in the deep end. He can't.
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WWE giving Neville nothing important to do nor a Kofi-like role as the big high flyer is why he's having trouble staying relevant.

WWE has completely botched using Breeze since his call-up. While his current gimmick does have its limits, the WWE has done nothing to help him get over or be relevant.
I think they pulled the plug really quickly on him, but at the same time, I don't think he connected. A lot of the NXT guys were able to get over right away. With Breeze, I always felt like he was just a mid card act on NXT, and he got to WWE and just didn't click. WWE could have done more, but he was featured fir the first few weeks, and you could great a pin drop for his segments. He could use a tag partner to stay relevant.
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Y'all really need to stop having serious interactions with CyNick. The dude is clearly just a troll and is feeding off of all the attention he gets here.
Yes, I grow stronger by the post.

Your act is terrible.
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Old 02-25-2016, 07:28 PM   #23189
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Yeah well its definitely limiting.

But at the same time, if the talent was good enough, he would have got over without the gimmick. He's another in a long list of average guys.
Johnny Curtis was Above Average.
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Old 02-25-2016, 07:30 PM   #23190
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You're thinking of Mike Sanders.
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Old 02-25-2016, 07:59 PM   #23191
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If we keeping feeding CyNick he will be strong enough to absorb Android 17
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:07 PM   #23192
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If you didn't find this Johnny Curtis entertaining, then you're a moron who should strongly consider suicide.
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:07 PM   #23193
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If we keeping feeding CyNick he will be strong enough to absorb Android 17
Nah, he's just gonna get diabeetus and have to be put down
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:33 PM   #23194
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I do understand that logic but it's a logic that WWE has broken away from. For better or worse. I don't mind, it made that debut Raw for AJ an awesome experience. And the story told was two out of three falls, which could have culminated at Wrestlemania but clearly they have another plan.
And I think that is Big Vic's point.
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:38 PM   #23195
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If you didn't find this Johnny Curtis entertaining, then you're a moron who should strongly consider suicide.
CyNick isn't a human.

This segment made me miss all the performers involved. Curtis & Maxine could have been a great power couple act. Triple H vs. Johnny Curtis at WrestleMania one year, with Stephanie McMahon and Maxine in their respective corners could have been huge. The old power couple versus the new one. Both Triple H and Curtis were trained by Killer Kowalski too. A lot of parallels they could have exploited there.

Maxine was so fucking hot and Matt Striker was such a gem that could have been utilized a whole lot better. Get Alicia Fox out of the ring and use her as a bitchy manager for someone.
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:39 PM   #23196
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He's had chances to talk. He looks like a deer in the headlights. NXT is a different animal. Everything is pre taped and re taped, so your promos look better. When you get to RAW you need to be able to swim in the deep end. He can't.
Did you hear that from Vince or Triple H, you Meltzer sheep?
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:42 PM   #23197
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Fandango would be a perfect guy to have join Shane McMahon. One of the guys that got given stupid shit and has had all his talent wasted over the years because Vince is not happy the ballet didn't get over. Give him a "This is not ballet" t-shirt and have him flanked by a different hot woman each week. He starts using the ring name "Not Fandango." Every promo he cuts ends with his Fandango theme song ringtone going off because "Lindsay" is calling. "I can't talk right now, Lindsay..." can be his sign-off line as he walks out of each interview with the extremely lustful Renee Young.
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:43 PM   #23198
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He'll penetrate the mainstream within a month.
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:43 PM   #23199
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You just play off the abortion that was the Fandango gimmick.
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CyNick isn't a human.

This segment made me miss all the performers involved. Curtis & Maxine could have been a great power couple act. Triple H vs. Johnny Curtis at WrestleMania one year, with Stephanie McMahon and Maxine in their respective corners could have been huge. The old power couple versus the new one. Both Triple H and Curtis were trained by Killer Kowalski too. A lot of parallels they could have exploited there.

Maxine was so fucking hot and Matt Striker was such a gem that could have been utilized a whole lot better. Get Alicia Fox out of the ring and use her as a bitchy manager for someone.
Funny thing about Maxine was the way she left was almost the same way the Bellas were originally going to leave the company.

Both were getting tired being stuck in developmental and asked for a call up to happen (or if it was going to happen). The WWE refused for Maxime which is why she left while they caved into the Bellas demands supposedly because Vince and/or management was obsessed with having real twins for booking purposes.
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