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Old 03-27-2016, 10:07 AM   #24081
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I don't think I'd ever want to date or be around Amy Schumer.
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Old 03-27-2016, 10:25 AM   #24082
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I like Amy Schumer, she just believes in her own hype a bit much and could possibly be a joke thief.
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Old 03-27-2016, 10:57 AM   #24083
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Shrug his shoulders? No sell it? But his answer was a load of shit. He's getting booed because hes been miscast. He's easily a big draw but not in his current being forced down our throats role.

Austin, Rock and even Hogan got over because they developed their schtick over a long time. Somebody didn't just look at them when they were still raw and decided they were #1 awesome guy who overcomes all the odds and dogs down deep or the next week is super badass who plays by his own rules and then next week is cracking jokes and calling people son.
Once again, The Rock himself is the perfect example of this. They tried to force feed Flex Kivana as the hot new babyface, Rocky Miavia... just on the merit of him being hot new babyface. It took "Die Rocky Die" and his stint with The Nation for an actual character to develop. Not saying Reigns *should* go heel, as I know that isn't an automatic fix. However, trying this "formulaic" approach on making him the next breakout talent to go to Hollywood is fucking stupid, and if they let the guy breathe and develop into what works for him, he could have possibly been in that role of a top draw by this year's 'Mania organically.
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Old 03-27-2016, 11:01 AM   #24084
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Oh rly now Sunny?
Hey, maybe his on-camera work with Vicki G was analogous to his off-camera work with Sunny?

Either way, Candido is spinning in his grave from jelousy.
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Old 03-27-2016, 11:53 AM   #24085
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Dolph's such a mark he probably did just because it was Sunny.
To be fair I'm pretty sure 95% of this board would still do 2016 Sunny just because it's Sunny.
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Old 03-27-2016, 11:53 AM   #24086
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Once again, The Rock himself is the perfect example of this. They tried to force feed Flex Kivana as the hot new babyface, Rocky Miavia... just on the merit of him being hot new babyface. It took "Die Rocky Die" and his stint with The Nation for an actual character to develop. Not saying Reigns *should* go heel, as I know that isn't an automatic fix. However, trying this "formulaic" approach on making him the next breakout talent to go to Hollywood is fucking stupid, and if they let the guy breathe and develop into what works for him, he could have possibly been in that role of a top draw by this year's 'Mania organically.
lets hope they can heel roman up it may be a quick fix but that's what they are stuck with. since that is the last match at wrestlemaina wwe better use the crowd booing to there advantage, they need a Hogan turning nwo moment make it big.
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Old 03-27-2016, 12:02 PM   #24087
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Once again, The Rock himself is the perfect example of this. They tried to force feed Flex Kivana as the hot new babyface, Rocky Miavia... just on the merit of him being hot new babyface. It took "Die Rocky Die" and his stint with The Nation for an actual character to develop. Not saying Reigns *should* go heel, as I know that isn't an automatic fix. However, trying this "formulaic" approach on making him the next breakout talent to go to Hollywood is fucking stupid, and if they let the guy breathe and develop into what works for him, he could have possibly been in that role of a top draw by this year's 'Mania organically.
As long as they're scripting promos and micromanaging every character like they do nowadays instead of letting guys go out there and sink or swim on their own, it's gonna be tough for anyone to develop into what works for them.
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Old 03-27-2016, 03:55 PM   #24088
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Old 03-27-2016, 04:07 PM   #24089
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UK indie promotion Progress Wrestling recently revealed they are joining EVOLVE in holding qualifiers for WWE's upcoming cruiserweight tournament. Will be handling the UK qualifiers for the tournament itself.

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Old 03-27-2016, 04:08 PM   #24090
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Why do they feel the need to script promos so hard, it clearly is not working. Why not just let it happen how it used to? It makes no sense. Micromanaging to such an extreme never works in any avenue. Have faith in your talent
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Old 03-27-2016, 04:12 PM   #24091
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Micromanaging works in McDonald's where the goal is to produce the same food the same way across every chain in the nation, so that when you go to a McDonald's you know what to expect.

WWE being public now, they want that same kind of "standardization" of the brand where everything will always be the same, equal and controlled.
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Old 03-27-2016, 04:13 PM   #24092
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Talking out of my ass there, btw.
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Old 03-27-2016, 04:39 PM   #24093
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Nah, Lock Jaw, you're 100% right on that statement. WWE, like McDonald's, would rather have uniform shit than something unique and good. It's standard business practice. If people are dumb enough to accept the shit you shove down their gullets, and if it's cheaper and easier to give them the shit, then why change anything? That's their mentality anyway.
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Old 03-27-2016, 05:17 PM   #24094
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Besides what Lock Jaw said, another reason is because management actually disliked the creative style used during the Attitude Era and Hogan Era.

Vince/WWE probably figures if they control everything, then nobody can ever be bigger than the brand and never have to worry about another WCW-like threat from ever happening again.

If someone tries to get over big time without the WWE's direct involvement, either that gets squashed or WWE quickly takes complete control so they can claim all the credit.
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Old 03-27-2016, 05:21 PM   #24095
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Bigger problem, in my opinion, is that WWE itself has become too big. They've become so successful for so long that they seem to have forgotten what it was that got them there. It is why fans. An hijack shows and crowds can shit the bed from lack of response... because most of the paying crowds aren't going to a wrestling show so much as they're attending some event to simply say they were there.

It is a major reason why NXT is so good: it is where WWE was about 20 years ago, AND caters to the fans of wrestling as actual fans of wrestling, for everything that encompasses.
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Tho with this mentallity, Vince and co should never be shocked when his mass produced overly processed garbage of a product is not well received. Tho, maybe he doesn't really care about the "state of the product"
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As long as you don't make any sudden moves to scare the shareholders, it is all good....
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Old 03-27-2016, 05:46 PM   #24099
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I do understand micromanaging to a degree, as far as quality control and being on top of your product. But Tue script.writing for people who are not actors is just brutal. But I think meatballs point of not wanting the product to be that "hot" makes sense. Because then wrestling itself can get hot again, and that means the potential for competition.
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John Cena definitely would have had a heel turn or two under his belt by now if WWE wasn't a public company, I feel.
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Old 03-27-2016, 05:48 PM   #24101
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I dunno it's not like Vince would have ever turned Hogan heel. Dena is pretty much that kind of vanilla pandering douchey face.
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I think if Hogan had stayed in WWF, Vince definitely would have turned him at some point.
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Ok I'll bite - particularly after his homophobic rant against Joey Ryan and calling Lucha Underground the worst thing to have ever happened to the business, what in 2016 makes Jim Cornette marvellous?
Lol, Jim Cornette isn't homophobic. Joey Ryan is a twat.

EDIT: Sorry, I posted this before everyone else replied to you about it. You've been thoroughly corrected on the issue already.
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On the issue of Cornette: It's phenomenal how many people still think he was "wrong" about Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn. I saw Corny do an interview with some guy recently and Cornette explained to the guy what he has said all along. Corny finishes the interview and the guy goes "Hmm, you have to be impressed by the brains of Jim Cornette. He not only reversed what he said about Owens and Zayn but also made it look like a win for him."

No, you douche -- Cornette has been saying those things about Owens & Zayn all along. It's the IWC that twists it into some sort of "Oh, he only likes 80's wrestling" or "Oh, he only likes guys with blonde mullets and ripped bodies" thing. It's a complete straw-man for guys like Owens, The Young Bucks, Joey Ryan, Jari and that douche interviewer to attack the guy for things he hasn't said and doesn't philosophically believe to make some sort of cheap point over the guy because you have nothing else.

Cornette: Kevin Steen is a good promo. To make it in the WWE he'll need to lose some weight -- not all his weight, but some -- gel his hair or something and get ring gear that doesn't make him look like fat yoga mom. Oh, and he's got to the stop insisting on putting women through tables.

*Steen loses some weight, gets personalized gear and gels his hair. Apparently stops refusing to do what's been set out for him. Stops putting women through tables.*

Steen: Look, Cornette! I made it! Haha!
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All these guys consistently prove his point about them.
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Owens even recently took to Twitter to brag about headlining the live event in Louisville as a dig at Cornette. I'll be honest -- there was a part of me that smiled a bit when reports came out that people starting leaving early during Owens' match. I like the guy as a performer, don't get me wrong, but there was a humble pie moment in it.

Hey, Owens still got paid and is still heading towards Mania with the IC Title on him. I'm sure he's more than happy. I'd just stop being preoccupied with an "old guy" who has always objectively ranked you as a worker very highly.
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People just can't handle Cornette being right about things because he's such an asshole at the same time. He's entertaining as hell and hopefully his show will be better without the chore of a co-host. Heard she quit twitter.
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It just dawned on me that the new day being geeks like they are Will have the Ninja Turtles in their entrance as a shameless tie in for the new movie like Terminator last year.
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It just dawned on me that the new day being geeks like they are Will have the Ninja Turtles in their entrance as a shameless tie in for the new movie like Terminator last year.
Sheamoose is in the movie. So using the movie to insult one of the stars of the movie probably would be nixed by Michael Bay.
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On the issue of Cornette: It's phenomenal how many people still think he was "wrong" about Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn. I saw Corny do an interview with some guy recently and Cornette explained to the guy what he has said all along. Corny finishes the interview and the guy goes "Hmm, you have to be impressed by the brains of Jim Cornette. He not only reversed what he said about Owens and Zayn but also made it look like a win for him."

No, you douche -- Cornette has been saying those things about Owens & Zayn all along. It's the IWC that twists it into some sort of "Oh, he only likes 80's wrestling" or "Oh, he only likes guys with blonde mullets and ripped bodies" thing. It's a complete straw-man for guys like Owens, The Young Bucks, Joey Ryan, Jari and that douche interviewer to attack the guy for things he hasn't said and doesn't philosophically believe to make some sort of cheap point over the guy because you have nothing else.

Cornette: Kevin Steen is a good promo. To make it in the WWE he'll need to lose some weight -- not all his weight, but some -- gel his hair or something and get ring gear that doesn't make him look like fat yoga mom. Oh, and he's got to the stop insisting on putting women through tables.

*Steen loses some weight, gets personalized gear and gels his hair. Apparently stops refusing to do what's been set out for him. Stops putting women through tables.*

Steen: Look, Cornette! I made it! Haha!
He also said that El Generico is a great worker, but he'll be more successful as a Top Babyface if he took his mask off and started talking.

Both Steen and Generico got successful because they did exactly what Cornette ultimately requested, but I guess it made more sense to them because it was said by someone who wasn't Cornette?

I'd almost argue that Cornette really wanted them to succeed, but they were in their own way, to an extent.
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Looks like after i traveled to Brooklyn and going to travel to Dallas to see them NXT has finally booked a show in Massachusetts. They are coming to Lowell Mass in April. They've literally gone around the world before touring in their own backyard. So...odd.
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To give a small counter, a lot of the hate Cornette has gotten in recent years is probably due to how badly he mishandled ROH and most of those same guys during the time he was in charge there.

Owens taking jabs at Cornette online is likely him remembering the bad stuff Cornette said about him and less about if Cornette ended up being right or not. Same for the Young Bucks and other wrestlers Cornette trashed over the years.
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He also said that El Generico is a great worker, but he'll be more successful as a Top Babyface if he took his mask off and started talking.

Both Steen and Generico got successful because they did exactly what Cornette ultimately requested, but I guess it made more sense to them because it was said by someone who wasn't Cornette?

I'd almost argue that Cornette really wanted them to succeed, but they were in their own way, to an extent.
I think that's basically it. Triple H has more he can offer Owens and Zayn, so of course they're going to buddy up with more.

Owens and Cornette actually seem to have very similar personalities. I mean, I say that without knowing either one personally -- but they both seem the sort to say things quite directly and cause friction if things aren't going their way. Cornette rubbed Owens the wrong way and Owens rubbed Cornette the wrong way. If they weren't in wrestling, they'd probably love each other.
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To give a small counter, a lot of the hate Cornette has gotten in recent years is probably due to how badly he mishandled ROH and most of those same guys during the time he was in charge there.

Owens taking jabs at Cornette online is likely him remembering the bad stuff Cornette said about him and less about if Cornette ended up being right or not. Same for the Young Bucks and other wrestlers Cornette trashed over the years.
Have you seen the shoot where Cornette explains what went down with ROH. Fascinating stuff. Basically, his plan was to turn it in something like what NXT became under Triple H. They'd have a fixed "Honor Arena" and they could do their own lighting and production. Cornette also wasn't technically the booker. He worked closely with Delirious, but he became a scapegoat for ROH fans. This is where the "Cornette's an old out of touch man" stuff came from. Then you listen to his ideas and you're like "Wow, that would have actually been really cool if they would have just done Cornette's actual idea."

And as Cornette says, Delirious put the World Title on Kevin Steen, even if Cornette and Delirious were like "Dude, we need you to do this" and he didn't do it. You know -- he didn't do his job.

The Young Bucks can be a lot of fun, but everything Cornette seems to be say about them is "Nice kids, egos the size of mountains, do too many superkicks, they bury their own shit and don't even realize it."
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In defense of guys like The Young Bucks and Joey Ryan: I can understand their desire to stand out. They want to make a name for themselves out of WWE, so they do shit that makes people click on that YouTube video. For them that's the pay-off, and I guess that's their right.

I appreciate more the guys you know can do more but aren't insecure enough to need to "get all their shit in." There's a "Young Bucks Principle" with getting noticed -- just because these guys do all that stupid shit, doesn't mean they can't work without it. The same goes in reverse, often for WWE guys -- just because you don't see them do fucking moonsaults and springboard piledrivers doesn't mean they can't do them. Remember that the next time you see Heath Slater BABBBBAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!!
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Have you seen the shoot where Cornette explains what went down with ROH. Fascinating stuff. Basically, his plan was to turn it in something like what NXT became under Triple H. They'd have a fixed "Honor Arena" and they could do their own lighting and production. Cornette also wasn't technically the booker. He worked closely with Delirious, but he became a scapegoat for ROH fans. This is where the "Cornette's an old out of touch man" stuff came from. Then you listen to his ideas and you're like "Wow, that would have actually been really cool if they would have just done Cornette's actual idea."
Never saw the shoot video he did but remember a bit about him wanting to make some drastic changes to ROH.

Him constantly rubbing people the wrong way and his hot-headed reputation ended up killing whatever goodwill he had for those plans. Same for his views on certain wrestlers even if they were actually right in the end.
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By the way I hear it told, a basic general lack of caring and financial support from the Sinclair offices is what fucked up those plans.
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