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Old 04-17-2016, 06:50 PM   #24721
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both guys could be over if properly featured on television and not given completely limp dick wins or distraction losses all the time.
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Old 04-17-2016, 07:02 PM   #24722
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Don't blame him for being upset at the US title being seen as just a pre-show worthy match after how much the WWE constantly blabbered about wanting to make the title better.

Once Cena was no longer the primary focus, the belt quickly went back to being irrelevant.
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Old 04-17-2016, 07:08 PM   #24723
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Last year WWE decided they were gonna make the IC and US titles prestigious as fuck and we came out of WrestleMania with John Cena and Daniel Bryan as the US and IC champions.

One year later we came out of WrestleMania with Kalisto and Zack Ryder holding those same titles.

Gotta love that commitment.
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Old 04-17-2016, 07:28 PM   #24724
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Their vignettes were so fucking lame and the minute you have JBL burying them on their first appearance, they were done. It doesn't help that neither of them are particularly good either.
Didn't stop them from calling up Roman. And that isn't a "shit on Roman for the lulz", because he still isn't ready, and he's now a 2x world champion. Big E wasn't ready when he got the call, either. I personally don't think Baron is quite there yet, and they actually took time to groom him before main rostering him- and for his sake, I hope I'm proven wrong.

They would have done well to have a mouthpice. Need new managers in the world. Paul E can't do everything. Hell, since Linda is nowhere near senate, bring back AW.

As for being buried from the booth, it *could* have gone better if instead of that culminating in that "legends tag team reunion/beatdown of the goofs", that they actually attacked him. Hell, Lawler did shit like that up until his heart attack. JR got beatdowns for heat, too. Cole took an ass whoopin' from Lesnar. And let's not forget that incident that got Daniel Bryan "fired". Even being a former wrestler, JBL can believeably be taken out by two guys.

Instead, he got to shit on them with zero reprocussions.
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:39 PM   #24725
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I really have no fucking clue what you should do with The Usos. They're so void of any personality that all these teams are completely outshining them. I think they're good choices for Gallows & Anderson to beat, but then what for them?
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:42 PM   #24726
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. Maybe flank Reigns in a feud to help even the odds/give the main heel some 1 on 1 victories.
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:59 PM   #24727
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I really have no fucking clue what you should do with The Usos. They're so void of any personality that all these teams are completely outshining them. I think they're good choices for Gallows & Anderson to beat, but then what for them?
Heel turn now that the New Day are the big faces of the division and a couple of other teams already are or soon to be more popular than the Usos on the face side.

Either they get corrupted like Rollins did and try to convince Reigns to be Authority's Corporate Champ or start to resent Reigns for not helping out family the more they keep getting attacked by Gallows & Anderson. Already been established they've helped Reigns a few times in the past whenever he had problems.
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Old 04-17-2016, 11:30 PM   #24728
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Usos were great and can get over.... they have personality....

They were "huge" when they were feuding with The Shield and The Rhodes Bros and then their subsequent title run....

Injury derailed them and they still haven't quite recovered.... Haven't found the groove again....
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Old 04-17-2016, 11:39 PM   #24729
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Usos were great and can get over.... they have personality....

They were "huge" when they were feuding with The Shield and The Rhodes Bros and then their subsequent title run....

Injury derailed them and they still haven't quite recovered.... Haven't found the groove again....
Do you not think though, that's its because they haven't moved on at all? Like they were over because they were exciting in the ring, but now everyone has seen their stuff and the personality hasn't come on or evolved in any way...

I still don't know who is who, and I don't think I am the only one.
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:05 AM   #24730
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I like the Usos and really thought that their journey to the tag titles was great, they didn't rush putting the titles on them. They are the most credible tag team in the division in my opinion. New Day are great but will split eventually, I don't see the Usos splitting ever. Really they just need a strong program with another team that doesn't feel forced like the Dudleys feud did. Maybe a heel turn would work for them.
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Old 04-18-2016, 02:36 AM   #24731
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Supposedly someone claiming to be the same person as the big WWE insider source from r/SquaredCircle is teasing on Twitter a major debut will happen during tonight's RAW show.

Location-wise, the debut would make sense but the tone of the person's tweets doesn't feel the same as the former Falcon dude from Squared Circle which is where the doubt about its validity is coming from around the net.
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Old 04-18-2016, 02:46 AM   #24732
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Old 04-18-2016, 02:58 AM   #24733
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I've never been too big a fan of The Usos. I would have liked to have seen them get the titles off Cody Rhodes & Goldust, leading to The Rhodes Brothers turning heel sans the Stardust bullshit. I think a lot of the problems have been addressed with them. They've been a bit sloppy in the ring, their act is the same every week, we've seen all the spots, their promos are a little annoying, you can't really tell them apart as humans, and there are so many more interesting teams around.

More so than a heel turn, I'd like to see them go to NXT to recharge their batteries for a bit. Their run is getting pretty tired, so let people nap on them a bit and bring them back when you NEED that babyface team. I wouldn't even mind them getting a short run with the NXT Tag Team Championship and giving Gable & Jordan something to chase again.
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Old 04-18-2016, 03:00 AM   #24734
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I don't think Ryback is long for the company, to be honest. He's had a twelve fucking year relationship with them at this point. I know people are big on him because of his look, but they've beaten all meaning out of him. Unless they bring him back in a mask as a legitimately scary dude, he's about done. I'd have him slip on another banana peel with Kalisto again and write him out.

Still a fucking idiot for doing that running knee in the corner in fucking Chicago and the nap-time pose. Way to get people to shit all over your rebuilding phase, bro.
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Old 04-18-2016, 03:01 AM   #24735
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Kalisto vs. Ryback - US Title - Mask vs. Career. There you go.
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Maybe Ryan Reeves could go to Japan and become really awesome? There are a lot of guys on the current main roster that could use a stint over there, I think. They're just missing that "intensity" or "charisma" to attach to their "moveZ." So many guys look like they are coming from a video game. Sending some of these guys away to get smarter in the ring and piece it all together better could ultimately be the best thing that's ever happened to them.
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I've just gone through and looked at pictures of a lot of the guys in the Global Cruiserweight Series. Does anyone know anything about Jack Gallagher? The guy looks like he'd be a good signing if he can go in the ring.
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Old 04-18-2016, 03:28 AM   #24738
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I've got a feeling they might put the US Title on Corbin as early as this RAW. Dolph Ziggler can challenge him at Payback, do the honors, and Corbin might get some steam up ready for Apollo Crews or something.

They really don't need both the IC and the US Title. I would actually be quite invested in a potential Cesaro/Corbin unification deal, and I'd be biting into it, because I love Cesaro so much.
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I don't think Ryback is long for the company, to be honest. He's had a twelve fucking year relationship with them at this point. I know people are big on him because of his look, but they've beaten all meaning out of him. Unless they bring him back in a mask as a legitimately scary dude, he's about done. I'd have him slip on another banana peel with Kalisto again and write him out.

Still a fucking idiot for doing that running knee in the corner in fucking Chicago and the nap-time pose. Way to get people to shit all over your rebuilding phase, bro.
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They could do Mask vs. Mask. If Ryback wins Kalisto loses his mask, if Kalisto wins Ryback is forced to wear a mask!
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Or a dress. He could pull it off like Perry Saturn.
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Hey guys! I'm not sure if anyone posted the video of some Indian kids creating a "Money in the Bank" style Ladder Match. I found it to be quite amusing.
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Supposedly someone claiming to be the same person as the big WWE insider source from r/SquaredCircle is teasing on Twitter a major debut will happen during tonight's RAW show.

Location-wise, the debut would make sense but the tone of the person's tweets doesn't feel the same as the former Falcon dude from Squared Circle which is where the doubt about its validity is coming from around the net.
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I've got a feeling they might put the US Title on Corbin as early as this RAW. Dolph Ziggler can challenge him at Payback, do the honors, and Corbin might get some steam up ready for Apollo Crews or something.

They really don't need both the IC and the US Title. I would actually be quite invested in a potential Cesaro/Corbin unification deal, and I'd be biting into it, because I love Cesaro so much.
I still think both midcard titles have a place (the US belt basically being the tertiary European Title) if WWE were to write meaningful storylines for them. But of course, they won't.

If they bring back the brand split in some form as is the rumor I bet they split the midcard belts apart again.
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They could do Mask vs. Mask. If Ryback wins Kalisto loses his mask, if Kalisto wins Ryback is forced to wear a mask!
Fine with me. Ryback could get a handler. Zeb Colter, for instance. That dude is so good at talking, he could take Ryback from chickenshit and turn him into chicken salad.
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I'm biased but Vito made way, way more out of the gimmick than he ever should have been able to. Could have worked himself into US Title contention eventually.
I heard a funny story on MLW Radio where Court Bauer and, I think, Alex Greenfield were talking about how Vince wanted Vito to challenge Batista for the World Heavyweight Title on a "season premier" edition of SmackDown. Good times.
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I still think both midcard titles have a place (the US belt basically being the tertiary European Title) if WWE were to write meaningful storylines for them. But of course, they won't.

If they bring back the brand split in some form as is the rumor I bet they split the midcard belts apart again.
I've got a feeling that the whole "Shane McMahon is working" thing is going to lead to another brand split. It seems asinine to split everything after they fucked up the last one, they have a three-hour RAW, they only unified the World Titles at the end of 2013 and brought in a new Women's belt and I doubt they can co-ordinate one set of champions cross-shows without diluting one of them, but I think they might actually do it.

And come to think of it, Charlotte could easily lose the Women's Title to either Becky or Sasha at Extreme Rules in a Ladder Match (my pick is Becky) and still claim to be the undefeated Divas Champion and take that title to SmackDown. Seth Rollins could return as the lineal (not really, but in WWE's continuity sake's) WWE World Heavyweight Champion, and be crowned the new World Heavyweight Champion of SmackDown or something. He'll be the preferred choice to Roman Reigns and look amazing on that show.

So many players would benefit from the split. Seth Rollins gets another World Title run, Becky gets to be a babyface away from Bayley, Zayn and Owens don't get overexposed in their feud, Strowman and Rusev can be monsters on opposite sides, Natalya can get a novelty run with one belt without fucking up the obvious Bayley victory moment, Harper can return on the opposite show to The Wyatt Family and be a killer, etc.
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If it weren't for the brand split, guys like John Cena, Mr. Kennedy, MVP, Kofi Kingston, CM Punk, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit etc. would've never attained the amount of success that they did.
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I think a brand split with the champions all being cross-branded could work just fine in theory but I doubt WWE would execute it properly. I'm imagining Reigns mostly working on Raw, feuding with say Chris Jericho. Then that feud ends and he happens to start something on SmackDown and then starts showing up there more frequently. And when Reigns isn't on Raw, they make the IC Title feud going on a focal part of that show along with focusing on non-belt related feuds.

That's actually how they ran it during the early days of the brand extension, in fact they outright said back then that Raw and SmackDown would alternate #1 contenders so it made sense that the floating champion didn't always have to be on both shows even though he technically could.

But again I have my doubts that WWE would do that. Raw would need a larger roster with the extra hour to fill and I'd bet Vince is just of the mindset that the World champion always needs to be on Raw. So that would mean re-splitting the belts which is an idea I just can't support now.
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I'm thinking about starting a hypothetical brand split thread. How we would go about splitting titles, one World Champ or two, whether the ladies and tag teams are spread out or together, where does Ambrose go, etc. I think they should do it, and I think I have an idea of how. I think it helps fix a lot of depth problems, actually, despite conventional wisdom probably being to the contrary. I think it spurns on proper usage of some good workers who currently are kind of flopping or at least takes the pressure off them to compete in the same sphere, and compete more parallelly...if that's a word (Sheamus, Rusev, Del Rio, The Colons, The Dudleyz, The Usos, Bulletproof, The Vaudevillains, Cody Rhodes, Kalisto, etc.).
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I think a brand split with the champions all being cross-branded could work just fine in theory but I doubt WWE would execute it properly. I'm imagining Reigns mostly working on Raw, feuding with say Chris Jericho. Then that feud ends and he happens to start something on SmackDown and then starts showing up there more frequently. And when Reigns isn't on Raw, they make the IC Title feud going on a focal part of that show along with focusing on non-belt related feuds.

That's actually how they ran it during the early days of the brand extension, in fact they outright said back then that Raw and SmackDown would alternate #1 contenders so it made sense that the floating champion didn't always have to be on both shows even though he technically could.

But again I have my doubts that WWE would do that. Raw would need a larger roster with the extra hour to fill and I'd bet Vince is just of the mindset that the World champion always needs to be on Raw. So that would mean re-splitting the belts which is an idea I just can't support now.
That's my thing. I totally get the idea of one World Champion, I do. The thing is, if you want them to be separate entities -- completely separate entities -- why would they recognise another's World Champion? And if you have them write separately to create the idea of competition, then how do you go about rostering champions?

You could do something where one month RAW gets the World Champ and SmackDown gets the Women's Champ -- an attempt to make them equal -- but you box yourself into month-long programs. Having two "World" Champs creates a dynamic where each show has a top guy that gets to carry house shows and such, but isn't pressured with carrying the whole company. And that worked fine until they decided to have two World Champs on one show. That's when that shit became too much.

Having two separate shows where the idea is to get hot over the other brings everybody up, and I do think that requires complete isolation. You have your guys and gals, and we have ours. May the hottest program headline. RAW can focus on the RAW stars and champs, and SmackDown can focus on SmackDown. Plus, you can then go back to having Money in the Bank feature two Ladder Matches, which means that you don't get 8 guys that are too big for it in one match. The Rumble gets some mystique back as guys that don't usually fight end up fighting. King of the Ring can not feel not like it's excluding a whole bunch of guys that should be in it, etc.
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I respect the shit out of Hassan for how he handled his post-WWE life. I mean he was pretty much the biggest heel and the company and then had to be written off through no fault of his own. And rather than try to repackage himself, he just went out on a high note because he knew he'd never be able to get something as over as what he already had.
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