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Old 09-19-2016, 03:04 PM   #28801
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How do you know? Sullivan has hinted on his podcast that he's been interacting backstage with a lot of the guys. It could just be him and MSL putting him over, but the shaving of the hair thing is very Sullivan-esque.

I didn't know that about Kevin Kelly. Thanks for sharing that. It's a shame you ruin it by completely not understanding what I was saying about Ivory. If English is not your first language, I apologize.



I don't know, honestly. But you do realize that wrestlers used to book wrestling, right? I picked her out because I was thinking of women that are knowledgeable about the business and have ring experience because I'd like to see a woman in charge. Ivory once out-worked Triple H in wrestler's court. She's always come off as a woman who knows what she is doing and has been able to take her ego out of things -- see how she did her best to put Chyna over -- and because of how she has spoken about Triple H in the past, I don't think she's at risk of jumping ship the moment she gets any traction (if that did happen).
....Calm down. First off, Adam Cole also shaved Michael Elgin's head a year or two ago. Was that also Kevin Sullivan's doing? Just trying to inform you instead of you making baseless comments like Kevin Sullivan being responsible for Adam Cole shaving Jay Lethal's head.

What didn't I understand about you saying "Ivory immediatley comes to mind as a woman who should be given a chance to run the creative team of ROH."? I do get that plenty of former wrestlers are given backstage roles as agents and some are thrown in creative. Almost all of those wrestlers have been continually in the business as well. Michael Hayes has almost never had a break. Dutch Mantell who you always praise hasn't really had a break. Joey Mercury hasn't really ever had a break. Ivory hasn't been a part of the wrestling business since 2006, and that was a small tour, before that was basically 2003. Talk about making no sense.

She out worked Triple H in wrestler's court. Okay. So what? Everyone always looks at that as the most lame, childish stuff that no one takes seriously.

And come on. She did her best to put over Chyna, former member of the biggest stable in WWE history, DX, and the first female Intercontinental Champion, who was put over by Chris Jericho, and I could be wrong on the timeline here but I think she was either in the middle of or already had her Latino Heat angle with Eddie Guerrero... she needed Ivory to make her look good?

And her talking shit about Triple H is just the reason to keep her away. If she's gonna burn her bridge and reveal drama with the biggest bridge you can have, what kinda dirt is she gonna reveal from your camp?
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Old 09-19-2016, 05:00 PM   #28802
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Prince Puma/Ricochet recently teased on Twitter he has something special set for 2017 and it doesn't involve going to the WWE, NXT, ROH, or TNA.

Being rumored he either signed a new deal with Lucha Underground or gotten a full-time contract with NJPW. If he signed a new deal with LU, might be using the Ricochet name for future seasons.

For some reference, he is still tied to LU till the end of Season 3 (mid-2017) due to how his LU contract was structured in terms of promotions with tv shows at least in the US and maybe Mexico.
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Yeah I can see it now. If Noid were Vince then he'd have the head of creative, Ivory, come to Kevin and sit down with him. "Now Kevin, I know you are in the prime of your career and your entire life goal was to wrestle for the WWE, but we think it's time you hang up the boots. Now as you know, I've been pushing for Epico to main event, but he's just lacking that one thing. And that one thing is you. Instead of you main eventing these next few years as a wrestler, you're going to main event managing Epico!!!"

I'm sure Kevin would love that...
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Old 09-20-2016, 12:07 AM   #28806
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....Calm down. First off, Adam Cole also shaved Michael Elgin's head a year or two ago. Was that also Kevin Sullivan's doing? Just trying to inform you instead of you making baseless comments like Kevin Sullivan being responsible for Adam Cole shaving Jay Lethal's head.

What didn't I understand about you saying "Ivory immediatley comes to mind as a woman who should be given a chance to run the creative team of ROH."? I do get that plenty of former wrestlers are given backstage roles as agents and some are thrown in creative. Almost all of those wrestlers have been continually in the business as well. Michael Hayes has almost never had a break. Dutch Mantell who you always praise hasn't really had a break. Joey Mercury hasn't really ever had a break. Ivory hasn't been a part of the wrestling business since 2006, and that was a small tour, before that was basically 2003. Talk about making no sense.

She out worked Triple H in wrestler's court. Okay. So what? Everyone always looks at that as the most lame, childish stuff that no one takes seriously.

And come on. She did her best to put over Chyna, former member of the biggest stable in WWE history, DX, and the first female Intercontinental Champion, who was put over by Chris Jericho, and I could be wrong on the timeline here but I think she was either in the middle of or already had her Latino Heat angle with Eddie Guerrero... she needed Ivory to make her look good?

And her talking shit about Triple H is just the reason to keep her away. If she's gonna burn her bridge and reveal drama with the biggest bridge you can have, what kinda dirt is she gonna reveal from your camp?
Wasn't aware of that angle. Cool. I didn't say that he was, I suggested that he might have some creative input because he's there, and I'd like to see his brain picked, because ROH could use something different. It could have been Delirious or the dude that decides the price of popcorn for all I know. Maybe it is you that ought to calm down a bit?

You've misquoted me dramatically. I said I'd be interested in seeing a woman given the chance to book something close to being a major North American promotion -- and no, I don't consider Stephanie McMahon a "booker." Ivory came to mind because you're not going to get fucking Trish Stratus to do that, are you?

Maybe having a break is a good thing sometimes? The wrestler's court point was just a point about her being a quick-witted and intelligent woman. It doesn't mean she could book, but there's more clues to indicate she could contribute than, say, Christy Hemme *coughloltna*.

The Chyna point went way over your head. I wasn't saying that Chyna was only over because of Ivory. I was observing that Ivory knew -- or at least went along with the plan -- to get squashed despite being a better overall wrestler than Chyna. She knew the story to tell. People actually thought she was a no mark because she got destroyed by Chyna so well -- you yourself admitted to that earlier. Brilliant work on her behalf.

You can choose to see her comments on Triple H as destructive, but I appreciate she doesn't kiss ass looking for a job back and tells it like it is.
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Maybe in 10 years after he's lost a step or two in the ring but the guy is to talented to take out of the ring. WWE does need more managers that were former wrestlers though. JBL would be make good one I think.
JBL would make a tremendous manager. He's kind of staled on commentary, so I'd like to see him start his own little group. He'd be wonderful as the money behind The Revival.
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Old 09-20-2016, 09:35 AM   #28808
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What does everybody think of Mojo Rawley? I was never high on the guy, and I absolutely hate his current gimmick and pairing with Zack Ryder, but I think there's something there. If there is, I think it'll come out as a heel, so I'm looking forward to the eventual turn on Ryder, but with The Usos and probably Ziggler, there are quite a few turns going on. Maybe try running with him as a babyface for a little bit?

I really wouldn't mind someone taking out Zack Ryder and then Rawley stepping up to them. I think if Rawley is pushed hard enough, the crowds will revolt and then you can turn him with some oomph behind it. I'm not sure who their plan for the next IC Champion is, but I could see value to the idea of giving the strap to Rawley for a bit -- especially if the end game is an eventual heel turn, as The Miz seems to be garnering some good will at the moment.
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Old 09-20-2016, 09:41 AM   #28809
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Mojo reminds me of a couple guys I served with that we kept the drugs and booze away from. He's midcard and happy to be there doing his job.
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I don't know, he seems like a driven guy. What's the word I'm looking for?
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Old 09-20-2016, 09:57 AM   #28811
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Randy Orton not a fan of the fist-raising during the American National Anthem, according to his Twitter account. He states that courage is what it takes to stand and fight, not just raise a fist. Think Orton's angling for another shot at starring in The Marine?
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I think Mojo could have some success as a solo act. I think I'd prefer him to be face rather than a heel, though. Maybe Ryder can be the one turning on him, re-aligning with Curt Hawkins because we all know they're going to give up within a matter of weeks on making Hawkins a big deal as a solo guy.
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My problem with Mojo Rawley as a face act is that he's such a pristine golden boy type. He's the dude that works hard, shows up every day, does well in school, does well in sports, gets all the girls, etc. It'll be hard for the neckbeards of the world to get into a guy who is such a winner at life who is also probably really humble and listens to whoever his coach is.

Obviously generalizations as I don't know the man, but that's how his history has been presented. It's easy to resent an overachiever like that. I'm not saying he's going to be the next Rock or anything, but that's sort of the blueprint I'd use with Rawley. Push him as a face, let the fans revolt, turn him heel and roll with the punches. Maybe in time he'll become "cool" enough to turn face again and give a solid run on that front.
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I think Mojo could have some success as a solo act. I think I'd prefer him to be face rather than a heel, though. Maybe Ryder can be the one turning on him, re-aligning with Curt Hawkins because we all know they're going to give up within a matter of weeks on making Hawkins a big deal as a solo guy.
I've got no clue what they are even trying to achieve with Hawkins. I assume he's meant to be a heel because he's cocky, but he's cracking jokes all the time, so I guess he's supposed to be face? I dunno. I like him well enough in the ring, even if I suppose he is unremarkable. I always thought he was smoother than Ryder. I liked that body slam with stank he does.
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Mojo Fact: Mojo was called "The Iron Sheik" when he was a football player, because of his strength.

God damn, would Iron Sheik as Mojo Rawley's "coach" not be 1000x times better than Bob Backlund as Darren Young's life coach...
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I think the "Curt Hawkins Facts" just reek of cocky heel. My fear though is that he's going to walk out to crickets during his debut because nobody knows what the fuck he's supposed to be yet and the people who have watched long enough only know him as a jobber.
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I think that is EXACTLY what is going to happen. Maybe he'll prove us all wrong and win the IC Title at No Mercy and prove that title belts chase Curt Hawkins?
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I kinda don't ever want to see Miz lose the IC Title at this point. But I would be all for giving Hawkins a proper match at No Mercy if they actually want to make a big deal of him.
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Apparently a few guys have been knocking back WWE offers because they don't really want to go on the road again just to job. I'm not sure how valid those reports are, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Vince reward the guys who do take him up on his offer so people in the future don't dare knock him back when his representatives call.

I'm sure there are a few reasons Heath Slater & Rhyno got the tag belts -- among them Rhyno being on the right side of Vince McMahon's politics, Heath Slater getting over and Vince generally enjoying the yucks -- but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a "thanks for actually coming in" reward for Rhyno.
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Remember that one episode of SmackDown where Curt Hawkins and Tyler Reks did a striptease dance and it literally never got mentioned on TV again after that? What the fuck was that all about?
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I kinda don't ever want to see Miz lose the IC Title at this point. But I would be all for giving Hawkins a proper match at No Mercy if they actually want to make a big deal of him.
Against who though? The singles guys that aren't tied up in programs right now are Kane and Jack Swagger -- I can't see Hawkins going over Kane and Swagger needs wins of his own.

I guess that maybe Curt Hawkins beating Dolph Ziggler at No Mercy could be the straw that finally breaks the camel's back on that front. I could see them running Ryder vs. Hawkins and getting Ryder to do the honors too, but beating Ryder really doesn't mean much at this point.
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Remember that one episode of SmackDown where Curt Hawkins and Tyler Reks did a striptease dance and it literally never got mentioned on TV again after that? What the fuck was that all about?
I think Tyler Reks quit the company because he wanted to spend time with his son, and he probably came to the conclusion that he was never going to go anywhere with the company. This left Hawkins without anything to do and he was let go too.

I think the idea was that they were going to try out different tag team gimmicks on the main roster to try and get over. Basically TAFKA Goldust sort of stuff.
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If they brought back Reks there'd at least be someone for Hawkins to team up with to fight The Hype Bros.
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Against who though? The singles guys that aren't tied up in programs right now are Kane and Jack Swagger -- I can't see Hawkins going over Kane and Swagger needs wins of his own.

I guess that maybe Curt Hawkins beating Dolph Ziggler at No Mercy could be the straw that finally breaks the camel's back on that front. I could see them running Ryder vs. Hawkins and getting Ryder to do the honors too, but beating Ryder really doesn't mean much at this point.
Actually, Hawkins going over Ziggler doesn't seem like a bad idea at all. Even though he seems to shit the bed in his PPV matches all the time, the crowd still seems to give some semblance of a shit about Dolph and it'll give him more of a reason to go over the edge and turn heel.

The only concern there is that SmackDown could get quite crowded on the heel side. Unless Hawkins/Ziggler is presented as face vs. face or they do a double-turn.
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Swagger needs wins but if his first feud ends up being with Baron Corbin as expected I have to think Baron's coming out on top. It might just turn out that they brought Swagger to SmackDown solely to give Corbin a low carder to go over while they try to figure out where he should go next (aka same thing they are doing with Braun Strowman/Sin Cara on Raw).
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Actually mentioning Sin Cara.....Kalisto vs. Curt Hawkins oddly intrigues me. I actually think those two could have some damn good matches and it makes me sad that Kalisto is buried with nothing to do. I know he's been nursing a back injury but that could be a decent program once he returns.

Or they could do the logical thing (lol) and have Kalisto's contract expire so he can go to the Raw and the Cruiserweight division.
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Actually, Hawkins going over Ziggler doesn't seem like a bad idea at all. Even though he seems to shit the bed in his PPV matches all the time, the crowd still seems to give some semblance of a shit about Dolph and it'll give him more of a reason to go over the edge and turn heel.

The only concern there is that SmackDown could get quite crowded on the heel side. Unless Hawkins/Ziggler is presented as face vs. face or they do a double-turn.
Hawkins/Ziggler as a heel team? I'm pretty sure they are going with Ziggler turning on Dean at some point, and predictable isn't always bad, but I'm not really sure how much people will care about it. Ziggler/Hawkins provides another tag team for Alpha to eventually smash, because I can't see The Usos staying too fresh as the heel team for as long as they need to if they wrestle every PPV.

I've got no clue why Kalisto isn't on RAW. I get that they want one cruiserweight to not be a cruiserweight, but Kalisto is such a fucking cruiserweight, ha-ha. Zayn would have been a guy to get away from that.
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What's everybody's leading bets as to what the WrestleMania main event is going to be? As of right now, I'm leaning towards AJ Styles vs. John Cena for the WWE World Title. I think Styles finds a way to keep the belt at No Mercy, avoids a one-on-one match with John Cena until WrestleMania.

I'd love for it to be AJ vs. Brock, but something about that just doesn't seem right. It feels like two "outsiders" fighting over the belt. I know WWE has fully embraced AJ, but it still feels like he's "young" in WWE years, and Brock is never around. The only problem is that they've done Styles vs. Cena a fair bit over the past year. Cena was sort of there to get Styles into the title picture.

They seem to be keeping Styles vs. Orton in their back pocket, but do you think Orton can get hot enough to headline? I could see Seth Rollins or Roman Reigns winning the Royal Rumble and using it to jump over to the SmackDown side of things too, depending on how Vince feels about their chances of being a top babyface at that point in time.

Weird that the only thing I really feel pretty sure about is Styles defending the World Title against someone.
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Oh, and don't ask me why, but I have a very weird feeling that AJ vs. Bray could happen, with possible Club and Family involvement, with Bray being a babyface. I think he came back as a heel just to be functional for whatever it was they put him in again, but when they run out of ideas for him as a bad guy he'll be given a strong push as a face. That's my really "out there" pick.
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Hawkins/Ziggler as a heel team? I'm pretty sure they are going with Ziggler turning on Dean at some point, and predictable isn't always bad, but I'm not really sure how much people will care about it. Ziggler/Hawkins provides another tag team for Alpha to eventually smash, because I can't see The Usos staying too fresh as the heel team for as long as they need to if they wrestle every PPV.
You can't see people caring about Ziggler & Ambrose but they'll care about Ziggler/Hawkins?????
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What's everybody's leading bets as to what the WrestleMania main event is going to be? As of right now, I'm leaning towards AJ Styles vs. John Cena for the WWE World Title. I think Styles finds a way to keep the belt at No Mercy, avoids a one-on-one match with John Cena until WrestleMania.

I'd love for it to be AJ vs. Brock, but something about that just doesn't seem right. It feels like two "outsiders" fighting over the belt. I know WWE has fully embraced AJ, but it still feels like he's "young" in WWE years, and Brock is never around. The only problem is that they've done Styles vs. Cena a fair bit over the past year. Cena was sort of there to get Styles into the title picture.

They seem to be keeping Styles vs. Orton in their back pocket, but do you think Orton can get hot enough to headline? I could see Seth Rollins or Roman Reigns winning the Royal Rumble and using it to jump over to the SmackDown side of things too, depending on how Vince feels about their chances of being a top babyface at that point in time.

Weird that the only thing I really feel pretty sure about is Styles defending the World Title against someone.
I'm hoping for AJ/Brock. But there's 5 possible matches I'm thinking we could get as main event: either Rollins/Triple H for the Universal title in the Main Event, John Cena vs. The Undertaker, WWE Universal Title Triple Threat Hell In A Cell- Roman Reigns (C) vs. Dean Ambrose vs. Seth Rollins, or a long shot but WWE Title Match- John Cena (C) vs. The Rock

Would also love if Lesnar wins the Universal Title from Owens at the Rumble and Balor returns and wins the rumble to set up Brock/Balor at WM.
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