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Old 08-04-2020, 11:34 PM   #2961
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Old 08-05-2020, 03:40 AM   #2962
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from how you choose to respond to my concerns and the messages i've received regarding your conduct, you're not above the average wrestling fan. i believe you are denser in many regards. people have been privy to the type of crowd professional wrestling attracts for decades. you're not presenting new information.

being a contrarian for the sake of it and promoting negativity is very toxic and ironically reminiscent of 45 year old neckbeards with bad taste and lack of social skills.
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Old 08-05-2020, 03:45 AM   #2963
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Old 08-05-2020, 11:20 AM   #2964
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"If you remember the first couple weeks, WWE relied heavily on them but AEW didn't do it at all. I talked to Tony Khan and there were definitely ideas as far as if worst comes to worst, they would do it. But for him that was the last resort," revealed Meltzer. "But WWE went with it right away – airing PPV matches and things like that." ~ Dave Meltzer

...WELL NO SHIT DAVE! Maybe it's because AEW doesn't have a tape library. He is such a dumb bastard.
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:04 PM   #2965
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:36 PM   #2966
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You seem to care a lot about what Dave says for him apparently being a dumb bastard.
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Old 08-05-2020, 03:15 PM   #2967
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You seem to care a lot about what Dave says for him apparently being a dumb bastard.
More like I enjoy the act of pointing out the things the dumb bastard says.

It's a subtle difference, but seriously, he is a dumb bastard!
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Old 08-05-2020, 03:24 PM   #2968
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That doesn't make it sound better.
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Old 08-05-2020, 05:29 PM   #2969
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Dave Meltzer is still the most popular source for wrestling news. Mocking him is just like mocking Fox News.

Where does all this opposition to criticism comes from all of a sudden? You can’t comment negatively on AEW or Dave Meltzer without a throat clearing and not catch it. Do you do the same things when it comes to WWE, TNA, The Great Khali as World Champion, or anything else? No. It’s gatekeeping.
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Old 08-05-2020, 06:08 PM   #2970
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That doesn't make it sound better.
Maybe not, but if he wasn't so bad I wouldn't care at all. But he is and I get a good chuckle out him at least twice a week, so I'll take it!
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Old 08-05-2020, 08:06 PM   #2971
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I have no opinion on Meltzer one way or another, for the record. The only time I see any of his stuff is when people post it here. Talk all the shit you want.

Just seems odd to me that people who already don't like him will seek his stuff out just to shit on it here.
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Old 08-05-2020, 08:10 PM   #2972
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You’re going to encounter it as you talk about wrestling. Where else are you supposed to talk about it? Man, internet people are weird.
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Old 08-06-2020, 10:37 PM   #2973
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Brandi Rhodes has deleted her twitter due to intense cyber-bullying
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What is she, like the 10th person in that company to do that?
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Kevin Reilly oversaw TNT, TBS and TruTV. He was key to bringing Dynamite to TNT and re-upping it for 3 years.

Luckily for AEW they are one of the most watched shows on the network...however, I would make nice w/ my new TV boss if I were Tony Khan, just as Vince did years ago when Bonnie Hammer left USANetwork.
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Being high rated doesn’t mean you’re bringing the network that revenue. Especially when you are splitting ad revenue 50/50. Being high rated could actually shine a spotlight on your returns. I think they’ll be fine, because cockroaches don’t go down that easy, but the idea that “They do well in the key demo! They’re golden!” is fanboy bullshit.
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Kevin Reilly oversaw TNT, TBS and TruTV. He was key to bringing Dynamite to TNT and re-upping it for 3 years.

Luckily for AEW they are one of the most watched shows on the network...however, I would make nice w/ my new TV boss if I were Tony Khan, just as Vince did years ago when Bonnie Hammer left USANetwork.
Considering the article talks about HBO Max a lot, it must have been doing some pretty bad or well below expectation numbers to give both guys the boot.

If this was BR Live, AEW would have a bigger cause for concern since helping grow its sub base was one of the expectations TNT had for AEW, which they've done well so far.

That also means during this pandemic, two out of the five notable promotions in the US had the main advocate at a network ousted or departed. MLW being the first one.

WWE had their main advocate at NBC and USA Network ousted some time ago but that didn't hurt them at all.
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Considering the article talks about HBO Max a lot, it must have been doing some pretty bad or well below expectation numbers to give both guys the boot.

If this was BR Live, AEW would have a bigger cause for concern since helping grow its sub base was one of the expectations TNT had for AEW, which they've done well so far.

That also means during this pandemic, two out of the five notable promotions in the US had the main advocate at a network ousted or departed. MLW being the first one.

WWE had their main advocate at NBC and USA Network ousted some time ago but that didn't hurt them at all.
That is their own greedy fault. Why they would invest all that money in a streaming service, then refuse to offer the streaming service on the 2 BIGGEST platforms, Roku and Amazon Fire, that make up about 70% of the market?

They deserve to be fired for that.
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And why do you think that was?
Because it drew higher ratings than Raw even at its peak. It"s the main reason Raw moved to Spike
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That is their own greedy fault. Why they would invest all that money in a streaming service, then refuse to offer the streaming service on the 2 BIGGEST platforms, Roku and Amazon Fire, that make up about 70% of the market?

They deserve to be fired for that.
Plus everyone trying to enter the market foolishly thinking they are going to do mega numbers and/or be a major player almost right out of the gate.

Unless your Disney or Netflix, that isn't going to happen.

HBO waited too long to launch their own service and should have done it when Game of Thrones was still around and one of the hottest things on television.
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Because it drew higher ratings than Raw even at its peak. It"s the main reason Raw moved to Spike
Well there you go too. I was just thinking along the lines that the perception of something is going to alter its position, but if the dog shows were more popular, then there you have it. It’s a twofer.
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I wish I could remember what ratings they used to pull in 99/2000. It was a ridiculous number. I'll have to do some digging.

USA Network refused to stop prempting RAW for the Dog show. One of the stips in the contract was that the WWE could just leave if USA didn't match Spike's offer exactly. WWE used that as the reason they could leave,
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Raw was so popular though. Why would USA preempt such a popular show?
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I wish I could remember what ratings they used to pull in 99/2000. It was a ridiculous number. I'll have to do some digging.

USA Network refused to stop prempting RAW for the Dog show. One of the stips in the contract was that the WWE could just leave if USA didn't match Spike's offer exactly. WWE used that as the reason they could leave,
Based on this chart, seems the dog show did around 2.6 million viewers for the Monday show in February 1999.

WCW Nitro did around 4.2 million for its average that night.

It doesn't reveal any demo stuff but it must have drawn some big key numbers to preempt RAW at the time.

https://web.archive.org/web/20011121...0208cable.html
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Raw was so popular though. Why would USA preempt such a popular show?
Exactly. Why would a popular show be preempted for something else? It's almost like wrestling fans live in a bubble and don't appreciate the perception of wrestling.

If the ratings for the dog shows were higher, it makes my point moot, but if the ratings for Raw were actually higher, then that is my point in spades.

Wrestling fans = losers. They'd rather put on a dog show for fewer people than appeal to the power level of basement dwellers. They're neckbeards, not wizards.

That is why fucking dolts getting all bent out of shape over the demos AEW gets are completely missing the point (as you did here, although you are not a dolt). AEW can do well in the demos and still be seen as a product for fucking mouth-breathers.
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Based on this chart, seems the dog show did around 2.6 million viewers for the Monday show in February 1999.

WCW Nitro did around 4.2 million for its average that night.

It doesn't reveal any demo stuff but it must have drawn some big key numbers to preempt RAW at the time.

https://web.archive.org/web/20011121...0208cable.html
I talked to Kris Zellner tonight about it. He brought up the key numbers and said ratings were equal to or higher most years. He and Bix talked in depth about it on Between the Sheets recently. I gotta go back and listen to it
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I talked to Kris Zellner tonight about it. He brought up the key numbers and said ratings were equal to or higher most years. He and Bix talked in depth about it on Between the Sheets recently. I gotta go back and listen to it
Still find it a bit funny looking back at what was the biggest threats to WWF and WCW individually in terms of non-wrestling television competition.

WCW's biggest threat was the NBA Playoffs during the Jordan era considering all the stories of the tricks Hogan used to pull to ensure his star power never took a big hit during that period.

WWF's biggest threat ... a dog show.
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Wrestling fans = losers. They'd rather put on a dog show for fewer people than appeal to the power level of basement dwellers. They're neckbeards, not wizards.
This is the problem, you don't know jack shit about the realities of the industry you're commenting on.

It's called contractual liquidated damages for breach of contract.

It would've almost certainly cost USA more to breach the contract than what USA would've received (net) in ad revenues from airing wrestling, no matter the differences in ratings, demos, or ad revenues. Not because of a lack of "quality" viewers, but because, even back then, almost every TV broadcast agreement for a broadcast like that, is made at least a year in advance, and the minimum damages specified for breach of the agreement for failure to broadcast on the date and time specified, are drastically severe by design.

That's because without the guaranteed time slot, there will be a lack of pre-paying sponsors to pay for the needed early or advance costs of production or pre-production that the broadcaster doesn't cover. That's not even getting into the minimum amount of liquidated damages for the reasonable anticipatory profits for the show's producer, which in addition to the broadcast rights fees, also often includes an anticipated minimum amount of profit for the producer for an increase in the amount and $ value of potential live tix sales, merch, % of food/beverage venue or vendor sales, etc.
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And the U.S Open
Oh yeah, completely forgot about that.

Used to be a fan of tennis during that time when Pete Sampras and Andre Aggasi were the big name players. Then got bored of the sport in general during Roger Federer's reign of dominance.
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This is the problem, you don't know jack shit about the realities of the industry you're commenting on.

It's called contractual liquidated damages for breach of contract.

It would've almost certainly cost USA more to breach the contract than what USA would've received (net) in ad revenues from airing wrestling, no matter the differences in ratings, demos, or ad revenues. Not because of a lack of "quality" viewers, but because, even back then, almost every TV broadcast agreement for a broadcast like that, is made at least a year in advance, and the minimum damages specified for breach of the agreement for failure to broadcast on the date and time specified, are drastically severe by design.

That's because without the guaranteed time slot, there will be a lack of pre-paying sponsors to pay for the needed early or advance costs of production or pre-production that the broadcaster doesn't cover. That's not even getting into the minimum amount of liquidated damages for the reasonable anticipatory profits for the show's producer, which in addition to the broadcast rights fees, also often includes an anticipated minimum amount of profit for the producer for an increase in the amount and $ value of potential live tix sales, merch, % of food/beverage venue or vendor sales, etc.
Citation needed.

Those would be quite difficult in television, because TV schedules are constantly changing, and broadcasters would retain the right to preempt for special events—sporting, news, emergency, etc. Also, the WWF would likely angle for one too. And why would these no longer be commonplace? Why would producers cede power to networks’ scheduling when there is precedent to suggest they don’t have to?

And like with WCW getting canceled, if there was more money in the wrestling, they’d have gone with it, which you admit. Arguing that the dog show people are a juggernaut is not exactly a great counterpoint to “wrestling has never been that powerful.” You’re essentially saying “You’re right. The dog people had bigger dicks,” which is the point.

Remember when you tried to slip past people that an increase of 0.10 in the key demo would lead to an exponential increase in rights fees? This would value Monday Night Raw at $540 million a year. Man, USA must sure be grumpy about that deal.
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The new head of TNT/TBS/TruTV/HBOMax is Casey Bloys.

Bloys greenlit BALLERS and went to high school w/ Dwayne Johnson, though they didn't know each other then. I think this is good news for AEW.
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Bloys greenlit BALLERS and went to high school w/ Dwayne Johnson, though they didn't know each other then. I think this is good news for AEW.
This is...interesting. Rock has been pretty “Go everyone!” when it comes to wrestling. That being said, I’ve got the sneaking suspicion that Rock will one day start up his own company or back another one. It’ll be interesting to see if anything comes of this relationship. It’s probably entirely inconsequential.
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Oh yeah, completely forgot about that.

Used to be a fan of tennis during that time when Pete Sampras and Andre Aggasi were the big name players. Then got bored of the sport in general during Roger Federer's reign of dominance.
Yeah same here. Watching Wimbledon during the summer was something I used to look forward to as a kid/teen. It just sucked that Canada wasn't exactly a tennis power back then. Greg Rusedski looked like the guy but he up and became British.
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