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Old 01-22-2017, 12:38 PM   #31721
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they should just produce it like NXT
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Old 01-22-2017, 12:38 PM   #31722
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then again it wouldn't work cuz cruisers scrap on RAW
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Old 01-22-2017, 01:02 PM   #31723
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Old 01-22-2017, 01:24 PM   #31724
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She can get away with saying something like that based on how pretty she looks.
She's not going to find a man to get her pregnant with those antics.
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Old 01-22-2017, 01:25 PM   #31725
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New season of Survivor begins tomorrow, we have the lowest turnout so far since I took over so go on over and pick a guy. DaveWadding, Savio, Gertner & SMeatball are our most consistent contestants, CyNick got 3rd place on his first try, but how would the Noids and Newsteads of TPWW fair?

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Gauntlet thrown.
Noid would be terrible, because it's Noid.
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Old 01-22-2017, 04:21 PM   #31726
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I noticed before but it never really hit me until just now... 205 live is live AFTER Smackdown. For the people who watch, can you actually see people leaving the arena during the show? Seems like such a horrible idea that I would have seen discussed more.
It's true. I heard that they shot an episode prior to Smackdown and the results weren't that great.

The writing staff is yet to figure out the recipe to gain the attention of the masses as far as 205 Live and the Cruiserweight presentation on RAW are concerned. The purple ropes and lighting aren't doing much for the general audience either. I'm worried that they're going to get relegated to the "piss break" segment of the show.
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Old 01-22-2017, 05:15 PM   #31727
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It's true. I heard that they shot an episode prior to Smackdown and the results weren't that great.

The writing staff is yet to figure out the recipe to gain the attention of the masses as far as 205 Live and the Cruiserweight presentation on RAW are concerned. The purple ropes and lighting aren't doing much for the general audience either. I'm worried that they're going to get relegated to the "piss break" segment of the show.
The real answer is cruiserweights don't appeal to the audience that attends RAW or SDL. WWE put tons of effort into getting these guys over, but the average wrestling fan just doesn't care for guys who look like they should be riding horses at the Kentucky Derby. I think the future of 205 Live will be at Full Sail, where you have a couple hundred hardcore fans that will treat those guys like stars.
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Old 01-22-2017, 06:47 PM   #31728
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It's Hunter's "brainchild". While hardcore fans salivate to whatever Hunter has to offer, the mainstream audience hasn't necessary been receptive. If he weren't under the WWE umbrella, he'd be no better than ECW or any other indie fed like ROH.

I really want one of Hunter's projects to succeed at a "mainstream level". Hence, I don't want them to give up on 205 Live just yet. NXT wasn't always what it is today.
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Old 01-22-2017, 07:41 PM   #31729
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I think also a point Gertner made rings true. There's nothing actually unique about how those guys work , because the "heavyweights" all work that style now too.

So they just see these 5'8" 170 pound seemingly "average joes" and it's not particularly interesting.

There needs to be something other than being smaller and having a different set to differentiate these guys, and the style needs to be more exciting.

Have wild cruiser matches that wet the pallet for the main events.
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Old 01-22-2017, 08:51 PM   #31730
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Doesn't seem to bother Ambrose considering those two have been in a relationship for a few years now.
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Old 01-22-2017, 08:52 PM   #31731
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Old 01-22-2017, 09:23 PM   #31732
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Gertner's correct that the cruiserweights work the same as the heavyweights and there is less emphasis on size than ever before. But more so than that, the personalities are bland and no one gives a shit because they all came in at the same time.

* Jack Gallagher has actually shown some personality and does some different stuff in the ring. It's working for now, but the problem will be when people get sick of seeing it.

* Cedric Alexander is passive as his girlfriend makes out with other men. Sure, we live in a new age, but generally speaking, being a "cuck" isn't going to make a dude look good to your average wrestling fan.

* Rich Swann likes to dance and looks for pity because his life was hard.

* TJ Perkins loves video games and dabs. Pretty annoying.

* Brian Kendrick is good at talking and in the ring, and his desperate Revanant Leonardo Spanky gimmick was interesting, but then he won and lost the title already.

The one interesting guy is Neville because he is ruthless and looks like a fucking star out there with the no-marks. The best thing they could do is have him kill Swann and let him run with the Cruiserweight Title as you bring in your next wave of guys who can make themselves off the backs of the guys that haven't worked out -- Akira Tozawa, Kota Ibushi, Gran Metalik and, eventually, Kalisto.
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Old 01-23-2017, 04:37 AM   #31733
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I think you have to pull an RVD in ECW on the cruiserweight division. What i mean by that is make the cruiserweight championship matches something to look forward to by creating a fighting champion. Give Neville the title and build intrigue by having him defeat every challenger for like a year, give them 15 to 20 minutes every night to get over. Eventually, when another guy starts to get over, you build him as the ultimate challenger and build to the big title switch.
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Old 01-23-2017, 04:52 AM   #31734
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It's Hunter's "brainchild". While hardcore fans salivate to whatever Hunter has to offer, the mainstream audience hasn't necessary been receptive. If he weren't under the WWE umbrella, he'd be no better than ECW or any other indie fed like ROH.

I really want one of Hunter's projects to succeed at a "mainstream level". Hence, I don't want them to give up on 205 Live just yet. NXT wasn't always what it is today.
It's actually apparently not HHH's.

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Yep, Vince McMahon and Executive Vice-President of Television Production Kevin Dunn are in charge of the cruisers... not Triple H. Per the Insider report, Vince “has been extremely hands on with the Cruiserweights in getting them to execute his vision”.
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Old 01-23-2017, 06:27 AM   #31735
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I get the issues with the CW division; the tournament was brilliant as these guys went out and wailed on each other in a much more hard-hitting style than the main roster, however, at that point these guys aren't WWE contracted talent, there's no storylines built around them, and do you know what? If they get injured we bring a sub in.

Now they're regularly paid members of the roster filling spots on Raw and now their own show in 205Live. If they get injured now they're getting their downside from the company and not adding to the product. Furthermore, if Kendrick and Alexander go out there and kick the shit out of each other using stiff shots and high risk moves in the 3rd match of the night they're going to "out perform" the top of the card. Casuals will question that the cruisers look like they really hit each other, while Rollins/Reigns/Jericho/Owens in the main event look phoney. That's not a good look.

That's the business sense. From a fan's enjoyment POV I'd like to see them do something with the CW to differentiate them from the rest of the card (not just different ropes).

Perhaps you mould the division into a "league" where matches are worth points leading to a play-off for #1 Contendership, meanwhile the champ can have the odd exhibition match where he looks strong. This makes every match worth something as there's always something on the line. PPV wins could be worth more than Raw wins, a 205Live main event win could come with a bonus. You could even have whoever is bottom of the league "relegated" for a "season", where they go to NXT or, if you've soured on them, back to the indies.
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Or send them out to a new WWEUK show, or one of your associated British groups.
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Old 01-23-2017, 10:29 AM   #31738
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WWE put tons of effort into getting these guys over, but the average wrestling fan just doesn't care for guys who look like they should be riding horses at the Kentucky Derby. .
Their own fault, really. When you reinforce for years and years that nobody should give a shit about a cruiserweight/light heavyweight/smaller guy in general, then you *suddenly stress* that they are now supposed to be taken seriously, people aren't going to buy it overnight. Hell, look how long of a gap between having passable matches in the Trish (after she improved remarkably) and Lita era of women and the current product with multiple women who can actually go and are allowed to. A chunk of that time was spent relaying the message that you weren't important to the show unless you had a penis, and as a result, we had horrible 1 on 1 with shit workers and 12 on 12 clusterfuck tag matches that half of the participants just stood on the ropes "looking pretty" (which may or may not have actually been the case).

The only times I can recall the division being presented as serious pants business is when a) WWF tried to build a LH division around TAKA... and then seemed to forget about it in a couple of months, and when Gregory Helms was a champion without a division... so it fizzled out in a couple of months. Historically, "cruiserweight" calibur guys quickly descend to jobber, a comedy act, or Heat/Jakked/Metal/Superstars duty (or essentially all the same hell), and decades of that has conditioned the crowd to think that only. Now, youre suddenly asking everyone to not only take them seriously, but devote an additional hour of an already self-saturated market to watching them. Its a big ask.
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Doesn't seem to bother Ambrose considering those two have been in a relationship for a few years now.
Banging her during her prime years isn't the same as finding a man to get her pregnant.
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Old 01-23-2017, 10:58 PM   #31741
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Their own fault, really. When you reinforce for years and years that nobody should give a shit about a cruiserweight/light heavyweight/smaller guy in general, then you *suddenly stress* that they are now supposed to be taken seriously, people aren't going to buy it overnight. Hell, look how long of a gap between having passable matches in the Trish (after she improved remarkably) and Lita era of women and the current product with multiple women who can actually go and are allowed to. A chunk of that time was spent relaying the message that you weren't important to the show unless you had a penis, and as a result, we had horrible 1 on 1 with shit workers and 12 on 12 clusterfuck tag matches that half of the participants just stood on the ropes "looking pretty" (which may or may not have actually been the case).

The only times I can recall the division being presented as serious pants business is when a) WWF tried to build a LH division around TAKA... and then seemed to forget about it in a couple of months, and when Gregory Helms was a champion without a division... so it fizzled out in a couple of months. Historically, "cruiserweight" calibur guys quickly descend to jobber, a comedy act, or Heat/Jakked/Metal/Superstars duty (or essentially all the same hell), and decades of that has conditioned the crowd to think that only. Now, youre suddenly asking everyone to not only take them seriously, but devote an additional hour of an already self-saturated market to watching them. Its a big ask.
Yeah cuz they never treated Rey Mysterio or Eddie Guerrero like top guys. Take a lap bud.
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Old 01-23-2017, 11:06 PM   #31742
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Banging her during her prime years isn't the same as finding a man to get her pregnant.
Could also just be waiting till a later time or maybe when she retires/leaves the WWE to start a family like Bryan and Brie did. Miz did something similar with Maryse with being together for years before tying the knot and consider the idea of starting a family.

Not sure why your trying to imply Ambrose doesn't love Renee and/or only sees her as a disposable fuck buddy.
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Did someone say something about Eddie and Rey being treated like top guys in the Cruiserweight Division? I wouldn't dare feed a troll, but someone should point out that Eddie and Rey were never treated like big deals within the Cruiserweight Division in WWE. In fact, Eddie was never in it.
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Old 01-24-2017, 09:27 AM   #31744
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I think you have to pull an RVD in ECW on the cruiserweight division. What i mean by that is make the cruiserweight championship matches something to look forward to by creating a fighting champion. Give Neville the title and build intrigue by having him defeat every challenger for like a year, give them 15 to 20 minutes every night to get over. Eventually, when another guy starts to get over, you build him as the ultimate challenger and build to the big title switch.
I don't think it even needs to be for a year. Neville should win the belt, but you could even switch it as early as Mania to a guy like Kota Ibushi.
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Old 01-24-2017, 09:36 AM   #31745
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Totally agree. Neville should hold the belt for a long time, defeating every challenger clean. Wait until one of the faces starts to get hot, then switch it over.

With the cruiserweights having there own show, it doesn't even have to be that long, he just needs to defend his championship every second show or so and win a clusterfuck multi-man match at Mania quite handily to retain....
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Did someone say something about Eddie and Rey being treated like top guys in the Cruiserweight Division? I wouldn't dare feed a troll, but someone should point out that Eddie and Rey were never treated like big deals within the Cruiserweight Division in WWE. In fact, Eddie was never in it.
Wasn't Rey the face of the division for a bit..... feuding with the likes of Tajiri and others.......
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There seems to be a lot of people who don't think that they're going to do Dolph Ziggler vs. Jerry Lawler, but I'd actually really like to see it. They also seem to be roping JBL in it, but I'd like to see King get back in there if he's healthy enough. He seems adamant that the heart problem was caused by the impact. It'd have a different flavor for WrestleMania -- an old school Memphis brawl feel. It'd be a good way to send King off. Have Ziggler beat him with a Heartbreak Kick.
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Old 01-24-2017, 09:46 AM   #31748
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Wasn't Rey the face of the division for a bit..... feuding with the likes of Tajiri and others.......
Not as a top guy.
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Also, I don't want Tye Dillinger to be #10 in the Royal Rumble. I want him to be #11 and come out and toss out #10 for stealing "his spot."
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Have it be someone like Jinder Mahal. I'd suggest Titus O'Neil, but I think he's a bit too shit to sell the moment well.
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Not as a top guy.
He was champ for an extended stretch, wasn't he?
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Old 01-24-2017, 10:02 AM   #31752
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Dillinger at #10 almost feels too predictable to be considered a surprise entry.
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Old 01-24-2017, 10:05 AM   #31753
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Also, I don't want Tye Dillinger to be #10 in the Royal Rumble. I want him to be #11 and come out and toss out #10 for stealing "his spot."
Dolph Ziggler would be a great shout for this, in my opinion.

If the crowd is as smarky as I think it could be, he'll get heat when he walks out at #10. Then Dillinger can eliminate him at #11 to a huge pop. Sets the wheels in motion for a good feud, too.
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So my friend gave me his WWE Network log in so I can watch the royal rumble on Sunday. I was flicking through it last night and jeeeeesus it has so much content.

How do you people who love wrestling so much more than me ever get anything done? It genuinely seems amazing. Anyone that's crazy into wrestling could spend their entire free time watching the network and barely even scratch the surface of what's available.
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My few hours of leisure time each weeknight after work/the gym are usually spent playing video games, sports, or rasslin' (Raw/SmackDown, or something on the Network if the product is in a down period).

I actually cancelled my Netflix account because I just can't seem to find time to watch anything else without giving up something else I don't want to give up. As it is there's so much shit on the Network I want to watch and probably never will have the time to be able to.
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This should be a damn good match.
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So my friend gave me his WWE Network log in so I can watch the royal rumble on Sunday. I was flicking through it last night and jeeeeesus it has so much content.

How do you people who love wrestling so much more than me ever get anything done? It genuinely seems amazing. Anyone that's crazy into wrestling could spend their entire free time watching the network and barely even scratch the surface of what's available.
They are about to start adding a few indy promotions from the UK as well (seriously). According to the news sites, they are going to start airing ICP's wrestling fed, ICW and some other groups (I think one was called Revive maybe?)
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