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Old 06-08-2017, 05:23 PM   #34281
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Watch the full match. It's so goddamn good.
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I dunno, I read that Cena interview as "The Miz stepped up his game and that's why that program got as hot as it did heading into WrestleMania and why The Miz is still relevant."
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Old 06-09-2017, 02:38 AM   #34283
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I didnt know Big Cass and Carmella were together.
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Old 06-09-2017, 03:14 AM   #34284
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I didnt know Big Cass and Carmella were together.
They've been dating since their NXT days.

When the draft happened and every other couple baring Del Rio and Paige got to stay together, was speculated around the net Big Cass and Carmella probably were split because of a petty WWE/Vince reason. Turns out Carmella actually asked to be on a different brand to prove she could succeed without Enzo and Cass.
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How much money do you think the Young Bucks make in the Indies after everything adds up like main payment and merchandise.
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Probably somewhere in the high six figures range. So like upper card range but not main event range in the WWE since that is in the millions.

They've teased and hinted for years about making a lot more money in the indies than what the WWE would offer or be willing to offer.
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Probably somewhere in the high six figures range. So like upper card range but not main event range in the WWE since that is in the millions.

They've teased and hinted for years about making a lot more money in the indies than what the WWE would offer or be willing to offer.
I highly doubt they make in the upper 6 figures....
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Old 06-09-2017, 10:05 AM   #34293
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Probably somewhere in the high six figures range. So like upper card range but not main event range in the WWE since that is in the millions.

They've teased and hinted for years about making a lot more money in the indies than what the WWE would offer or be willing to offer.
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I highly doubt they make in the upper 6 figures....
Actually, I can see this happening.

As much as I generally dislike Young Bucks matches (the cramming 800 things and none of it meaning shit aspect), the fact is that they got very over being the biggest trolls in professional wrestling. The ultimate cool heels. They carved their niche, especially off rhe backs of the "anti-Cornette" crowd. They're talented fuckers who make a decent living in Japan, still get booked all over the world, and have Bullet Club and Elite money coming in, plus endorsement deal shit and other possible perks. They are in an unenviable position of not really needing the Vince machine behind them when they have their own.
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Old 06-09-2017, 10:22 AM   #34295
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There's a big difference between "paying alright" and near $1 million.....
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There's a big difference between "paying alright" and near $1 million.....
They probably make a lot more than you think but then also they get paid great by ROH who needs the bucks and all of their other indy gigs and merch. They appeal to a crowd thatll spend on them which are wrestling hipsters
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Actually, I can see this happening.

As much as I generally dislike Young Bucks matches (the cramming 800 things and none of it meaning shit aspect), the fact is that they got very over being the biggest trolls in professional wrestling. The ultimate cool heels. They carved their niche, especially off rhe backs of the "anti-Cornette" crowd. They're talented fuckers who make a decent living in Japan, still get booked all over the world, and have Bullet Club and Elite money coming in, plus endorsement deal shit and other possible perks. They are in an unenviable position of not really needing the Vince machine behind them when they have their own.
Why is not needing WWE unenviable?
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I highly doubt they make in the upper 6 figures....
Yeah, I'm not buying that either. My dislike for them aside, I accept that they make a sustainable living off their geek shows. I think New Japan would pay them four digits per match, but there's no way they are making as much money as AJ Styles was with them. Over the past year they wrestled for New Japan 22 times. So New Japan would be paying them <$176,000. This is pure speculation on my part, but I don't imagine them paying The Bucks -- who are sizzle more than steak for their shows -- more than $2,500 per match. Even that seems steep. But I'll give them that, which takes their annual New Japan cheque up to $55,000. Not bad.

My gut tells me that ROH probably gives them a downside guarantee of $60,000 or something. I have no evidence of this, but just given the lack of funding they really seem to put into things, I sincerely doubt they are keeping The Bucks employed for $500,000 or anything. Jesus. For dudes who are trying to make a living off basically what corporate types would consider low-rent acting or stunt work, $60,000 downside is fucking generous.

That takes them up to about $115,000 with their New Japan/ROH work. I'm not sure if they get a cut of buys and that sort of thing. But when you figure in a bit of merch, and I'm sure they move a couple of hundred Bullet Club shirts, and they probably charge PWG, CHIKARA and other indies a few thousand per appearance. They're treated like bigger stars there than they are in Japan, and the appearances are more sporadic. I can see them charging $3,000 per appearance. They did 11 of those in the past year. That's an additional $33,000, taking them up to $148,000. I doubt they make more than 5% of that on merchandise. Do The Bucks even have their own merchandise, or do they just pimp Bullet Club shirts for New Japan?

I think $155,400 before Irwin R. Shyster comes a-calling is a generous estimation. That's honestly almost double what my gut wanted to guess (I was thinking in the $80,000-$100,000 range), and more than double what they are worth.

Keep in mind that The Bucks are always bragging about how much money they earn in conjunction with their brags to creative freedom. In artists' terms, that usually just means they're not starving. $150,000 is not bad money by any stretch, and I doubt that the WWE would offer two scrawny kids set to be a tag team act that much money out the gate. Given their stature in independent wrestling and how they'd probably just want to polish off certain things about them, I can imagine developmental offers were probably in the $60,000 range. They could probably work their way up to what they make in Japan and the indies very quickly in the WWE, but keep in mind that is weighed against what they perceive as their freedom. They put capital on that, so $150,000 and freedom > $200,000 and being chained to the man. 50% of their t-shirt sales totaling $10,000 > 5% of their t-shirt sales totaling $10,000. That sort of thing.

But anyway, if The Young Bucks made over $500,000 each, that means that they would get paid over $6,000 each per match. That's $12,000 to book The Young Bucks for one match. If tickets for a PWG show are $65 p/head, then the overall gate is going to be $32,500. That means The Bucks would make about a third of a show's gate for their appearance. That just doesn't add up. Truth be told, my earlier estimation of them making $3,000 each is probably a gross overestimation, because that means that The Bucks are still making over 1/6 of the gate.

I think The Bucks gloat because they have a weekly paycheck from ROH for over $1,000, which covers their living expenses, and they are basically guaranteed garnishing from Japan and the independents.
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It honestly wouldn't surprise me if The Bucks didn't crack $100,000. Especially when you factor in tax, etc. If AJ Styles got paid $8,000 per appearance with New Japan, I'd put The Bucks, as a collective, at definitely half as valuable as that. It's the contrast between headliner and opening act. I gave The Bucks $5,000 total, but it wouldn't surprise me if they made less: $2,000 each, or $44,000 a year. It wouldn't surprise me if ROH paid less too. $60,000 might be a bit steep. Developmental deals are usually about $25,000 aren't they? They'd pay The Bucks more than that, but can you imagine them getting something like three times that? These dudes have to shower with the other guys. I'm sort of imagining that the ROH deal they were offered was somewhat in lieu with WWE offers. Honestly, $40,000 from ROH might be more accurate. That's $84,000 from New Japan/ROH, and that is where the bulk of their money would come from. Looking at that as their sort of annual pay, it explains why they are so cocky knocking back $40,000 developmental offers from the WWE -- they are earning twice as much without them, but probably not quite as much as Xavier Woods, who doesn't get, statistically, as big a slice of his merchandise as The Bucks do, despite Woods no doubt selling more.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:57 PM   #34305
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I will say that Kevin Owens has said that at the height of his popularity in the indy's he was "living well but definatley not rich." Young Bucks probably make around $100,000 a year, MAYBE $200,000 but I think that's def pushing it.
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Old 06-09-2017, 08:09 PM   #34306
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Old 06-09-2017, 08:13 PM   #34307
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They also get cuts of that Bullet Club shirt money from PWT.
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Old 06-09-2017, 09:09 PM   #34308
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Yeah, but I bet they aren't making $900,000 off that.
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Old 06-09-2017, 11:27 PM   #34309
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Could see it be somewhere between $500k-$800k mainly because they work for at least 3 big to semi-big indie promotions, plus special appearances for others, plus a cut of Bullet Club and other merch, plus their own shirt store at Prowrestlingtees website.

When they signed a new deal with ROH and NJPW, it was stated they were getting pay raises from whatever they were currently making just from those 2 places.

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According to F4WOnline, the deal is exclusive for US and Japan, but are able to schedule bookings elsewhere. The Young Bucks will also be allowed to participate at PWG events.
If their pay was actually low, they would have jumped to the WWE years ago. Bucks stated several times about they get paid more in the indies and get to travel less than what would be the case in the WWE.

NJPW supposedly also pays established indie names pretty well overall considering WWE had to spend over $1 million to nab Balor although that also included buying out his sponsorship deal(s).
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Old 06-09-2017, 11:39 PM   #34310
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I don't think $150,000 is low.
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Old 06-09-2017, 11:55 PM   #34311
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Is Brock Lesnar's contract still up after WrestleMania next year? I had this musing on the possibility that Brock Lesnar, Bryan Danielson and CM Punk could all potentially end up in New Japan by the end of 2018. It's very unlikely, but not impossible.
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Old 06-09-2017, 11:56 PM   #34312
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For someone of their demand and status in the indies, that would be really low especially if it was spread across 3 companies (NJPW, ROH, PWG) plus any other bookings and merch stuff.

That would be around low card but probably not jobber tier for yearly amount in the WWE based on rumors and reports about WWE contracts.


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Yes and very likely he's gone afterwards based on recent reports. Just way too much money for the WWE to keep committing to a part-timer.
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Old 06-10-2017, 12:08 AM   #34313
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Sounds like Billy Corgan needs to pony up all that Smashing Pumpkin money and throw it at Lesnar, Bryan and Punk. If there was ever a way to compete with WWE...
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I really want The Rock to start his own wrestling promotion. I've got no clue why he would do it, but it would make me mark out.
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Old 06-10-2017, 03:24 AM   #34315
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I don't think $150,000 is low.
Karl Anderson was making 750,000 in like 2012
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Like, from all the stories about DDP, we'd know that he would have helped Scott Hall and Jake anyway, but goddamn if they;re not the biggest adverts for DDP Yoga he could possibly ever need. We know the before and afters are totally legit.
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Old 06-10-2017, 10:49 AM   #34319
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Could see it be somewhere between $500k-$800k mainly because they work for at least 3 big to semi-big indie promotions, plus special appearances for others, plus a cut of Bullet Club and other merch, plus their own shirt store at Prowrestlingtees website.

When they signed a new deal with ROH and NJPW, it was stated they were getting pay raises from whatever they were currently making just from those 2 places.



If their pay was actually low, they would have jumped to the WWE years ago. Bucks stated several times about they get paid more in the indies and get to travel less than what would be the case in the WWE.

NJPW supposedly also pays established indie names pretty well overall considering WWE had to spend over $1 million to nab Balor although that also included buying out his sponsorship deal(s).
They're also a tag team.... They might be lucky to get $500K combined.
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I will say that Kevin Owens has said that at the height of his popularity in the indy's he was "living well but definatley not rich." Young Bucks probably make around $100,000 a year, MAYBE $200,000 but I think that's def pushing it.
BTW for clarification this number is per Buck not for both combined.
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