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Old 06-12-2017, 07:03 PM   #34361
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Nice. Might find some alternative means to watch the event online.
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Only saw okada vs omega. Amazing match. Want to get nj world again, but fuck, they need an app on xbox and ps4. You can't use the console browsers.
Not sure if there was a reason for no Xbox app but supposedly Sony said no when asked for Japanese wrestling apps on PS4.
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Not sure if there was a reason for no Xbox app but supposedly Sony said no when asked for Japanese wrestling apps on PS4.
I guess that can be attributed to the difference in content consumption. Japan is very unique when it comes to advertising and web design principles. What works here, may not work in their culture.

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Miz vs. Morrison would be such a grand IC Title program around WrestleMania time.
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Remember when reigning WWE Champion, Hulk Hogan put over the IWGP Heavyweight Championship as the most important title in the world?
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Old 06-13-2017, 06:51 PM   #34372
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So apparently this weeks Raw scored the lowest ratings this year. Could it be that maybe Brock Lesnar just isn't the super draw that he use to be? Or will all the blame for this be placed on Samoa Joe?
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The correct answer is: who cares about the ratings?

Just feeling cynical.
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Old 06-13-2017, 06:56 PM   #34374
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So apparently this weeks Raw scored the lowest ratings this year. Could it be that maybe Brock Lesnar just isn't the super draw that he use to be? Or will all the blame for this be placed on Samoa Joe?
In regards to Joe/Lesnar: I would be less concerned with the overall rating given that the whole crux of the show was in the first ten minutes and then the next three hours was like someone dissecting a septic tank on live TV.
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The correct answer is: who cares about the ratings?

Just feeling cynical.
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So apparently this weeks Raw scored the lowest ratings this year. Could it be that maybe Brock Lesnar just isn't the super draw that he use to be? Or will all the blame for this be placed on Samoa Joe?
Lesnar might have been the reason why it wasn't the lowest ever though because the 3rd hour killed the show.

Then again like Dark One said, RAW was pretty much downhill after the Joe/Lesnar segment.
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Remember when reigning WWE Champion, Hulk Hogan put over the IWGP Heavyweight Championship as the most important title in the world?
Weird. As Hogan is saying "I want to make sure my career ends in Japan," you can see how disingenuous he is.
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So apparently this weeks Raw scored the lowest ratings this year. Could it be that maybe Brock Lesnar just isn't the super draw that he use to be? Or will all the blame for this be placed on Samoa Joe?
I wouldn't blame either. They got them out there in the first segment. And who watches wrestling these days, anyway?
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Isn't the point of a short-arm clothesline to trap your opponent so they can't avoid the close-range impact? So what Okada does is just lightly hold his opponent's hand, and what they do is stand up for the Rainmaker on their own merit?
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I'm a life long wrestling nerd, no question. However, I can also appreciate what those two put on, the semi-comedic nature of Omega at times and just "lol" at that lil moment.

Nearly every hold, even the basic "collar and elbow" lockup is done with a very light touch.
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I just think it's a dumb spot that falls apart if you think about it. Like, suspension of disbelief aside, I can even explain the psychology of things like the Red Arrow. I just don't get why Okada touches the wrist of his opponent if the beat-down he had put on them previously would cause them to collapse if it were good enough. It just eats itself and it's dumb and annoying, because Okada is so good. But I know a child would watch that and say "that's fake" and tune out, because their fandom hasn't been embedded yet.

I swear wrestling is the only form of storytelling where the performers of it hate that they are doing it and need to point it out to the crowd. It'd be like an actor going "I'm acting everybody! I'm just an actor! I'm playing a character!" We get it. We know. Why are you so insecure that you need us to know that you know? Or is it because fans are so insecure that we need to know that you know that we know? It's just so insecure. And that everyone is so insecure is why we don't have any real stars coming up -- because everybody is so neurotic and secretly hates themselves, and that there is no star is the big problem with wrestling as a whole.

I can't believe people can't see how this is all connected. I want NJPW to succeed so badly, and I'm glad that it endears itself to the the internet fans, because they are going to be crucial to floating it in the US and beyond, but if that shit happens in the main event then I might just have to switch off. That's the one spot I've seen shared from that match, and it just feels bad to me. Why do people like bad stuff? Bad stuff is bad. It's the "Broken" Matt Hardy stuff all over again. Shit things don't become good by winking.

I don't even think this was supposed to be bad. I guess they're trying to sell exhaustion? Okada is so tired that he forgot to hold onto Omega's wrist? Maybe Omega was supposed to break out more strongly and he just sucks at the psychology element of pro-wrestling? I'm sure it doesn't ruin the whole match, don't get me wrong, but it just highlights to me how full of shit anyone who says "Kenny Omega is the best wrestler in the world" is. It's like he starts playing a good song on the piano and then he just starts slamming his hands on the keys to "lol" people.
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So many wrestlers are like disruptive high-school kids undergoing adolescence and acting out against teacher because they think it's cool and will make girls like them. That's like the "indy spirit."
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Old 06-13-2017, 10:14 PM   #34388
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Its not bad. Everyones suspension of disbelief is a little different. There are people who probably thing the red arrow is retarded from a realistic standpoint, no matter what you say to explain it.
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I think we're moving into a post-fact realm here, and I can't really engage in that sphere.
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Noid, I could write an essay if I wanted to on things that are far more ridiculous than that spot. Things that you probably didn't even blink at, but for some reason this has you triggered.

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How is he supposed to just know it was good enough. Last match Omega ate 3-4 rainmakers. Your logic assumes okada knew omega would collapse from the beatdown.
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You got giddy earlier about john morrison coming back, but I don't see you attacking the fact that a guy capable performing incredible acrobatic and aerial feats, finishes people with a move that kills his momentum a few feet before he lands, and has less impact than anything else he does.

Most people don't think about that. Because it looks cool.
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Noid, I could write an essay if I wanted to on things that are far more ridiculous than that spot. Things that you probably didn't even blink at, but for some reason this has you triggered.



How is he supposed to just know it was good enough. Last match Omega ate 3-4 rainmakers. Your logic assumes okada knew omega would collapse from the beatdown.
Of course there are things that are more ridiculous than it. That doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous. I'm sure there are ridiculous things I don't blink at, but the ones that do register as ridiculous are still ridiculous and take you out of a match. That's a ridiculous point to make, lol.

He's going for his finisher. If he hasn't beaten down his opponent to the point where they are about to be finished, then why is he going for his finisher? Why does he touch their arm if he's not pulling them into the move? It's dumb. It's not the dumbest thing I have ever seen, but it's still dumb.
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You got giddy earlier about john morrison coming back, but I don't see you attacking the fact that a guy capable performing incredible acrobatic and aerial feats, finishes people with a move that kills his momentum a few feet before he lands, and has less impact than anything else he does.

Most people don't think about that. Because it looks cool.
I actually don't like the Starship Pain, but acrobatics like that in wrestling don't annoy me as much, because I can buy that an arrogant heel would do something like that to embarrass his opponent. It's just like The Rock's theatrics before the People's Elbow. For a babyface, moves like that do look cool, and they become something of a stamp for that wrestler. You could always logically just come off with an elbow and monitor your opponent's position a bit more, but if you've assumed that you've put them in a position where you've gotten them relatively discombobulated, it makes sense to finish them off with emphasis so that you can increase your fanbase/make a statement.

It can still be silly. If you've got your opponent beaten, you should go for the win, sure. But what I can't stand is the obvious co-operation stuff. The "I will run into position for this because I want you to hit me" stuff. This falls into that category for me. What it implies is that every wrestler that gets hit with the Rainmaker wants to be hit with it. Otherwise they would have surely flopped to the ground too, since Okada doesn't actually pull you into the move. Surely you can understand my gripe with that?
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Well I make that point because if that takes you out of a match, then how does every other ridiculous thing in wrestling not take you out of the match? Because almost all of it is ridiculous.

Why does any wrestler go for a finisher if they have them beaten down to where they are about to be finished?

Okada was just as exausted and just didn't have the strength to yank him forward hard enough.
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I actually don't like the Starship Pain, but acrobatics like that in wrestling don't annoy me as much, because I can buy that an arrogant heel would do something like that to embarrass his opponent. It's just like The Rock's theatrics before the People's Elbow. For a babyface, moves like that do look cool, and they become something of a stamp for that wrestler. You could always logically just come off with an elbow and monitor your opponent's position a bit more, but if you've assumed that you've put them in a position where you've gotten them relatively discombobulated, it makes sense to finish them off with emphasis so that you can increase your fanbase/make a statement.

It can still be silly. If you've got your opponent beaten, you should go for the win, sure. But what I can't stand is the obvious co-operation stuff. The "I will run into position for this because I want you to hit me" stuff. This falls into that category for me. What it implies is that every wrestler that gets hit with the Rainmaker wants to be hit with it. Otherwise they would have surely flopped to the ground too, since Okada doesn't actually pull you into the move. Surely you can understand my gripe with that?
All power moves fall into that category, as you can visisbly see the victim cooperating to be more easily lifted. Any irish whip move requires the victim to cooperate because logically you don't have to run in a straight line, or you could just, ya know, stop running.

I don't look at how believeable stuff is, because to me at least, its not about that. If I wanted to see something believable, I'd watch matches from the 20s where they put each other in front facelocks for 8 hours. To me its about the overall story they tell in the match. (and this is what I tell non wrestling fans when they ask me why I watch it knowing its fake) Its about people telling a story, using just body language, facial expressions, and feats of athleticism. Individual moves and spots don't have to be believable, as long as I'm enjoying the story. I'm not going to get out my microscope and dissect a spot that logically doesnt make sense, when it followed a dozen other things including common manuevers that make just as little sense when thought about.
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Well I make that point because if that takes you out of a match, then how does every other ridiculous thing in wrestling not take you out of the match? Because almost all of it is ridiculous.

Why does any wrestler go for a finisher if they have them beaten down to where they are about to be finished?

Okada was just as exausted and just didn't have the strength to yank him forward hard enough.
That's a better attempt to explain it. It's still goofy lol. You could also hypothesize that Okada overestimated the gas Omega had left in the tank and threw himself into the clothesline because he expected Omega to be in strong style mode. I can actually almost trick myself into liking it if I use it to tell the story of Okada for actually thinking so highly of Omega he overestimated him, but that means Omega is dumb for not being as good as Okada thought. And Okada looks dumb for taking the dive. I don't think it's the best way to tell that story, but you guys seem to like it though, so maybe I am in the minority of the dwindling wrestling fans.
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