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Old 12-20-2020, 05:13 PM   #3481
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Television ratings are compared to the same week’s content. AEW has never beaten Raw. Stop being disingenuous.
Television ratings are compared however the person making the comparison wants to compare them. You and xrod seem to think Nielsen has sent down this edict that two shows airing 5 days apart are not allowed to be compared because of an imaginary brick wall separating weeks. It’s fucking bizarre.
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Old 12-20-2020, 05:25 PM   #3483
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Television ratings are compared however the person making the comparison wants to compare them. You and xrod seem to think Nielsen has sent down this edict that two shows airing 5 days apart are not allowed to be compared because of an imaginary brick wall separating weeks. It’s fucking bizarre.
Its Vince McMahon style Confirmation Bias mentality from the both of them.

If something happens that doesn't fit their narrow view, it must be wrong no matter if evidence points the other way.

If something happens that ends up fitting their narrow view, they were always right and everyone else was always wrong. Doesn't matter if they were wrong before, they just need to be right once to make the claim. Also doesn't matter how it has to be twisted in order to be right on their end.
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Old 12-20-2020, 05:54 PM   #3484
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Television ratings are compared however the person making the comparison wants to compare them. You and xrod seem to think Nielsen has sent down this edict that two shows airing 5 days apart are not allowed to be compared because of an imaginary brick wall separating weeks. It’s fucking bizarre.
Remember all those times Nitro was compared to Raw from the previous week? No imaginary brick wall between those 7 days.

Come on, man, you can’t seriously believe this. Over the weekend, especially at this time of year, things change. People use their weeks to order time. That’s literally what a week is. Comparing a nothing Raw less than two weeks out from Christmas that went against a giant football game with a highly promoted super-show from the previous week is sneaky and dishonest. You wouldn’t compare an episode of Seinfeld from 1997 with an episode of Home Improvement from the previous week. You’d look at the two within the same week, because factors from the week could affect the programming success.

Besides, what did AEW even win? It didn’t win in viewership. It didn’t win in the 18-49 demo. It won something like 18-34 and that gets emphasized by people on a payroll and it becomes “AEW beat Raw” when it’s removed from its context, and that is just no accurate. It’s important to stick to the facts at least some of the time.

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Its Vince McMahon style Confirmation Bias mentality from the both of them.

If something happens that doesn't fit their narrow view, it must be wrong no matter if evidence points the other way.

If something happens that ends up fitting their narrow view, they were always right and everyone else was always wrong. Doesn't matter if they were wrong before, they just need to be right once to make the claim. Also doesn't matter how it has to be twisted in order to be right on their end.
You are a parrot who copies and pastes his opinions from the dirt sheets. Whenever you are challenged on them you keep falling back to the same mimicked talking points no matter how obviously fraudulent they are. When called out about it you cry about how it isn’t fair poor you is being picked on. And you have the audacity to call anyone else narrow-minded?

Reporting that AEW beat Raw backwards through time is confirmation bias. Last week AEW didn’t beat Raw. It was 1.5 million viewers to 800k viewers, or something like that. How fucking dare you go on about someone else’s confirmation bias lol.
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Old 12-20-2020, 06:03 PM   #3485
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OMFG.

What part about AEW beat RAW in the key demo do you not understand. The December 9th episode of AEW did a 0.45 while the December 14th episode of RAW did a 0.41 in key demo ratings. AEW'd December 16th show hadn't aired at the time so it wasn't possible to compare its key demo number to RAW's December 14th show.

Meltzer and others around the sheets and net were not comparing overall viewers when the whole topic of AEW beating RAW was being discussed on Tuesday. And even when they were talking about AEW's victory, it was only in terms of key demo and not an overall victory.

You and xrod are comparing something completely different than what was being discussed on Tuesday just so you can boast about them being wrong.
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Only really skimmed all this because really I don't care at all... really I'd need to see the wording of what they are reporting to judge it....

In reality they should be judging the shows of the same week, but nothing wrong with comparing RAW with the last AEW... def a bit weird and biased if they only do it if it shows a result they want.... but if they clarify that is what they are doing, and that week's AEW isn't out yet.... then meh, who cares
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Remember all those times Nitro was compared to Raw from the previous week? No imaginary brick wall between those 7 days.
No. Because they were head to head. They aired at the same time. You’re doing xrod’s thing where he compared a head-to-head matchup to one that’s wasn’t. And he even admitted it was a ridiculous analogy. You know it is, too. Stop.

Now, if you think there are ACTUAL factors that give AEW an advantage over the upcoming Raw specifically then that’s something that can be discussed. I’d go back to my original point that any wrestling show beating any WWE show at any point in any 7-day period in any demographic is pretty sad for WWE because they SHOULD have such a huge lead that this shouldn’t even be a discussion...

But the blatantly flawed analogies, man...
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Old 12-20-2020, 06:45 PM   #3488
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Only really skimmed all this because really I don't care at all... really I'd need to see the wording of what they are reporting to judge it....

In reality they should be judging the shows of the same week, but nothing wrong with comparing RAW with the last AEW... def a bit weird and biased if they only do it if it shows a result they want.... but if they clarify that is what they are doing, and that week's AEW isn't out yet.... then meh, who cares
At least based on the podcasts and shows I listen to (Review-A-RAW & -Dynamite shows from Post Wrestling and whatever clips the Observer posts from their Radio shows on Youtube), RAW ratings usually just get talked on their own with some tidbits from SD and the Wednesday shows for any notable comparison purposes.

Tuesday's talk was only special because of the shock over an AEW show actually managing to top one of WWE's main shows in the key demo ratings in the span of a week. It was something that AEW had been creeping towards even before their "Winter is Coming" show happened but the speed of it happening was still a big shock since nothing like that has happened to WWE since the WCW days.
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Old 12-20-2020, 09:04 PM   #3489
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No. Because they were head to head. They aired at the same time. You’re doing xrod’s thing where he compared a head-to-head matchup to one that’s wasn’t. And he even admitted it was a ridiculous analogy. You know it is, too. Stop.

Now, if you think there are ACTUAL factors that give AEW an advantage over the upcoming Raw specifically then that’s something that can be discussed. I’d go back to my original point that any wrestling show beating any WWE show at any point in any 7-day period in any demographic is pretty sad for WWE because they SHOULD have such a huge lead that this shouldn’t even be a discussion...

But the blatantly flawed analogies, man...
There’s no difference in comparing a Nitro one week to a Raw in the previous week if you’re going to do the same with Dynamite and Raw. They’re not in the same cycle of events. Call it arbitrary all you want, but the week prior is the week prior. The events being staggered and not being simultaneous doesn’t make that an accurate comparison.

You can say that AEW’s demo one week was higher than Raw’s all-time low. Or point out that Raw this week did worse in one particular area than AEW last week, but to say they “beat” Raw is just utter bullshit.

When that abysmal Raw rating dropped, you could tell that the AEW rating was going to be much, much smaller than it was the previous week too. Why? Because we are moving forward through time and interest in wrestling is decreasing.

This narrative that AEW is catching Raw is absolute bullshit. And you know that, you’re just arguing because you find xrod and me annoying. The true story is that wrestling had a really bad week-to-week slip because wrestling is disappointing. And all this bullshit from sheep like Smeat about how it was a landmark event because AEW has somehow overwhelmed Raw much earlier than expected is utter tosh. What happened when the Dynamite number came out? It was fucking smaller. They lost.
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This is an odd thing to harp on. They’re using Nielsen’ ratings because it’s the only method of gauging TV ratings. They’re “ignoring” Nielsen’s week parameters because why the hell should they care about the week parameters? Nielsen uses it for their own organization purposes. That’s it. It’s not done to lay down the law lest someone dare compare a show to another show days later that fell under a different week.

Is it really just the wording that you’re bothered by? If they just said “Last Wednesday’s Dynamite out-performed last night’s Raw in the key demo.” would you be fine with that?
Yes. Why do they need to overplay it? Is it just to be their normal annoying selves? It serves no purpose and sets them up to look stupid when they brag for 2 days then lose 19% of their audience. They proclaimed a false victory and celebrated like a gloating little kid on social media.
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Its Vince McMahon style Confirmation Bias mentality from the both of them.

If something happens that doesn't fit their narrow view, it must be wrong no matter if evidence points the other way.

If something happens that ends up fitting their narrow view, they were always right and everyone else was always wrong. Doesn't matter if they were wrong before, they just need to be right once to make the claim. Also doesn't matter how it has to be twisted in order to be right on their end.
Sigh, don't you think it's maybe possibly the other way around?

I'm not making up that Nielsen has weekly ratings that start on Monday. That fact is being ignored completely to pretend AEW beat Raw in weekly ratings, even though weekly ratings don't exist and the shows aired in different weeks?!?!!!!

Directly from Nielsen.com:

"Week of Dec. 7, 2020
Chart
RANK PROGRAM NETWORK RATING VIEWERS (000)
1 NBC SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL NBC 9.6 17,053
2 FOX+NFLN THU NT FOOTBALL FOX 8.1 13,636
3 FOX+NFLN TUES NT FOOTBALL FOX 8 13,540
4 SUNDAY NIGHT NFL PRE-KICK NBC 7.2 13,029
5 OT, THE FOX 5.8 10,429
6 FOX+NFLN THU NT PRE-KICK FOX 5.5 9,069
7 60 MINUTES CBS 5.5 9,098
8 NCIS CBS 5.2 8,530
9 FOOTBALL NT AMERICA PT 3 NBC 5.1 9,130
10 VOICE NBC 4.4 6,953
Source: Nielsen. Primetime Broadcast Programs. Viewing estimates on this page include Live viewing and DVR playback on the Same Day, defined as 3am-3am. Ratings are the percentage of TV homes in the U.S. tuned into television. "

"Week of" is literally the first thing they list. Week of December 7th 2020 means the week, according to the company that tracks the ratings, started on Monday. The next week therefore is Week of December 14th 2020.

What it does not list, is Week of December 9th 2020 because, according to the company that tracks the ratings, the week does not start on Wednesday.

Also, FYI, Vince McMahon didn't invent weeks, so no I'm not actually getting that knowledge from Vince McMahon, and that is really weird that you think someone saying a week does not start on Wednesday is because they are biased by Vince McMahon.
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Only really skimmed all this because really I don't care at all... really I'd need to see the wording of what they are reporting to judge it....

In reality they should be judging the shows of the same week, but nothing wrong with comparing RAW with the last AEW... def a bit weird and biased if they only do it if it shows a result they want.... but if they clarify that is what they are doing, and that week's AEW isn't out yet.... then meh, who cares
Lock Jaw gets it. They have never, until this past week, talked about how Raw beat the previous week's Dynamite. Yet they are crowing over this great weekly victory now, for the first time ever, because it favors the side they want.
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Sigh, don't you think it's maybe possibly the other way around?

I'm not making up that Nielsen has weekly ratings that start on Monday. That fact is being ignored completely to pretend AEW beat Raw in weekly ratings, even though weekly ratings don't exist and the shows aired in different weeks?!?!!!!

Directly from Nielsen.com:

"Week of Dec. 7, 2020
Chart
RANK PROGRAM NETWORK RATING VIEWERS (000)
1 NBC SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL NBC 9.6 17,053
2 FOX+NFLN THU NT FOOTBALL FOX 8.1 13,636
3 FOX+NFLN TUES NT FOOTBALL FOX 8 13,540
4 SUNDAY NIGHT NFL PRE-KICK NBC 7.2 13,029
5 OT, THE FOX 5.8 10,429
6 FOX+NFLN THU NT PRE-KICK FOX 5.5 9,069
7 60 MINUTES CBS 5.5 9,098
8 NCIS CBS 5.2 8,530
9 FOOTBALL NT AMERICA PT 3 NBC 5.1 9,130
10 VOICE NBC 4.4 6,953
Source: Nielsen. Primetime Broadcast Programs. Viewing estimates on this page include Live viewing and DVR playback on the Same Day, defined as 3am-3am. Ratings are the percentage of TV homes in the U.S. tuned into television. "

"Week of" is literally the first thing they list. Week of December 7th 2020 means the week, according to the company that tracks the ratings, started on Monday. The next week therefore is Week of December 14th 2020.

What it does not list, is Week of December 9th 2020 because, according to the company that tracks the ratings, the week does not start on Wednesday.

Also, FYI, Vince McMahon didn't invent weeks, so no I'm not actually getting that knowledge from Vince McMahon, and that is really weird that you think someone saying a week does not start on Wednesday is because they are biased by Vince McMahon.
Do you have a link to that chart since I can't find it on Nielsen's website.

Also that's a network chart which is handled and tracked differently than a cable chart which is where WWE and AEW shows are on except for Smackdown.
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Lock Jaw gets it. They have never, until this past week, talked about how Raw beat the previous week's Dynamite. Yet they are crowing over this great weekly victory now, for the first time ever, because it favors the side they want.
The reason why nobody talked about RAW beating Dynamite in the key demos was that until last week's RAW, the inverse had never happened before which is why there was a big surprise over Dynamite doing it.

Prior to the "Winter is Coming" show, last time Dynamite hit a 0.4 or better in the key demo was of November of last year.
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Do you have a link to that chart since I can't find it on Nielsen's website.

Also that's a network chart which is handled and tracked differently than a cable chart which is where WWE and AEW shows are on except for Smackdown.
www.nielsen.com/us/en/top-ten/

Click TV, then Cable Network TV.

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RANK PROGRAM NETWORK RATING VIEWERS (000)
1 NFL REGULAR SEASON L (BUFFALO/SAN FRANCISCO) ESPN 4.5 7,763
2 COLLEGE FOOTBALL PRIME L (LSU/FLORIDA) ESPN 2.6 4,622
3 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.5 3,724
4 TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.5 3,883
5 TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.5 3,980
6 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.4 3,703
7 HANNITY FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.4 3,637
8 HANNITY FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.4 3,769
9 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.2 3,327
10 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.2 3,349
Source: Nielsen. Total Day Cable Programs. Viewing estimates on this page include Live viewing and DVR playback on the Same Day, defined as 3am-3am. Ratings are the percentage of TV homes in the U.S. tuned into television.
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The reason why nobody talked about RAW beating Dynamite in the key demos was that until last week's RAW, the inverse had never happened before which is why there was a big surprise over Dynamite doing it.

Prior to the "Winter is Coming" show, last time Dynamite hit a 0.4 or better in the key demo was of November of last year.
Exactly, they never compared a current week show with a previous week's show until they could spin it as "We Beat Raw this week!".

That is the bias.
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Huh, totally forgot they actually break down non-network shows into detailed weeks as well. Been a long time since I last visited that site.

That still doesn't negate the fact that all everyone was doing was just comparing RAW from December 14th with Dynamite from December 9th since both shows happened within a span of a 7-day week period that wasn't defined.

You and Noid kept trying to compare it strictly on both needing to be on the exact same week starting on a Monday or else it shouldn't count at all. Under that view, it would be impossible to ever compare SD to RAW if SD's show came before RAW's show.
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Exactly, they never compared a current week show with a previous week's show until they could spin it as "We Beat Raw this week!".

That is the bias.
Because until last week, RAW's key demo number was never lower than whatever was the most recent Dynamite for Tuesday's ratings releases.

Same reaction would happen if it was NXT in AEW's shoes for having a higher key demo than RAW under a similar comparison.

Its just something that's not expected to happen due to RAW's much bigger status over AEW and NXT.
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No, it wouldn’t be the same story if NXT achieved something. It would be that AEW did really well with grey-haired women and they’re now a key demo magically. This is all about making AEW look as good as possible, which is why a shit Raw from one week was compared to a great AEW from another week instead of the shit AEW from the same week.

And that people won’t admit that is really frustrating. We haven’t heard any special news stories about Dynamite losing 200k viewers. Why? Because no one wants to tell the truth about the situation.

Raw beat Dynamite last week. It was a shitty week for both. The week prior was a bigger week for Dynamite off Sting that they managed to do a better rating in a particular demo than Raw got the following week (all-time low) but Dynamite also dropped.

If Raw got a 4.5 against Nitro’s 4.7, but then the next week Nitro got a 4.4, the story isn’t that Raw beat Nitro because a 4.5 is bigger. Especially when it comes back that Raw got a 4.3 and Nitro actually won.
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Seeing as RAW and Nitro aired on the same day, that comparison you made is just as bad and illogical as the Browns vs. Ravens one xrod made a while ago.

AEW and RAW don't air on the same day which is why when Tuesday's ratings come out if you want to make any sort of direct comparison between the two, you take Monday's RAW and the previous Wednesday. For the first time ever, AEW managed to actually top RAW in the key demo but didn't build it into a streak with their next show since now that show is the one being compared to RAW's show from Monday for Thursday's ratings talks.

AEW already has beaten RAW within the sub key demos a couple times before and the gap between the two in several areas gets very close at times on other occasions.
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Huh, totally forgot they actually break down non-network shows into detailed weeks as well. Been a long time since I last visited that site.

That still doesn't negate the fact that all everyone was doing was just comparing RAW from December 14th with Dynamite from December 9th since both shows happened within a span of a 7-day week period that wasn't defined.

You and Noid kept trying to compare it strictly on both needing to be on the exact same week starting on a Monday or else it shouldn't count at all. Under that view, it would be impossible to ever compare SD to RAW if SD's show came before RAW's show.
I didn't bring it up. I'm not trying to spin the story, they are.

If the AEW personalities and the Sheet writers they have on the take would not have claimed it as a weekly win, it would be fine. I am not denying that one episode of Dynamite had a higher number in a demo than one episode of Raw.

I don't think they should claim they beat Raw in the weekly ratings, because they did not. They choose that wording, knowing they were in the following week, knowing that their previous week Wednesday show did not beat the Raw that aired in the same weekly ratings report.

Instead of waiting until Wednesday to see if they would keep their viewership up and actually beat Raw, they took the first chance they had and hyped up a weekly win that didn't happen, because I assume they knew they weren't actually going to outdraw Raw in the current week either, which ended up being true, since they did not.
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I didn't bring it up. I'm not trying to spin the story, they are.

If the AEW personalities and the Sheet writers they have on the take would not have claimed it as a weekly win, it would be fine. I am not denying that one episode of Dynamite had a higher number in a demo than one episode of Raw.

I don't think they should claim they beat Raw in the weekly ratings, because they did not. They choose that wording, knowing they were in the following week, knowing that their previous week Wednesday show did not beat the Raw that aired in the same weekly ratings report.

Instead of waiting until Wednesday to see if they would keep their viewership up and actually beat Raw, they took the first chance they had and hyped up a weekly win that didn't happen, because I assume they knew they weren't actually going to outdraw Raw in the current week either, which ended up being true, since they did not.


What spin since the whole talk was never about AEW getting to claim this past whole week as a win using the prior week's number.

Sheets sites and writers talk about ratings after every major tv wrestling show numbers come out which means 3 times per week (4 if Impact charted or did anything notable). That also potentially means 3 different ratings comparisons being made throughout the week as new numbers come in for shows. They are not going to just wait a specific day to talk about ratings just to please whoever would be upset if its done any other way.

I went back to look up what the Observer wrote for their ratings report and even they mentioned the comparison was only for AEW & RAW's most recent shows and not the entire week of December 14th as you keep assuming is the case.

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Seeing as RAW and Nitro aired on the same day, that comparison you made is just as bad and illogical as the Browns vs. Ravens one xrod made a while ago.

AEW and RAW don't air on the same day which is why when Tuesday's ratings come out if you want to make any sort of direct comparison between the two, you take Monday's RAW and the previous Wednesday. For the first time ever, AEW managed to actually top RAW in the key demo but didn't build it into a streak with their next show since now that show is the one being compared to RAW's show from Monday for Thursday's ratings talks.

AEW already has beaten RAW within the sub key demos a couple times before and the gap between the two in several areas gets very close at times on other occasions.
Why does it make a difference if they’re on at the same time if you can compare other weeks with each other? That’s trivial at this point.

TV ratings have always been compared to the programming that week. Raw got 1.54 million and AEW got 800k or whatever. That’s it. When Raw tanked you knew AEW was going to tank. There was a drop-off in the weeks.

Listen to yourself: “sub-key demos.” What kind of oxymoronic bullshit that? Oh, it’s a key demo, it’s just not the key demo. THAT’S WHAT KEY DEMO MEANS! You can’t have a sub-key demo.

Oh, you’ve got first place and then you’ve got sub-first place. No. You’ve got bullshit. This is propaganda designed to prop up a bullshit wrestling company for either personal or professional reasons. I don’t know if Meltzer is getting paid, but maybe it’s his reputation since he’s consulting with them, or maybe it’s the fact that TK is an idiot that doesn’t know what he’s doing but when the Observer School of Wrestling so Dave feels like it can’t fail. Maybe it’s just because he’s forced himself to watch WWE and has brainwashed himself. But this ratings talk is just not honest. And there are people who take things that they read on the internet and don’t question them, circulate them further, change the wording of even more.

Raw has never been beaten by AEW. The history books will reflect that. But unfortunately we’ll have a lot of myths because of this sort of shit.

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I didn't bring it up. I'm not trying to spin the story, they are.

If the AEW personalities and the Sheet writers they have on the take would not have claimed it as a weekly win, it would be fine. I am not denying that one episode of Dynamite had a higher number in a demo than one episode of Raw.

I don't think they should claim they beat Raw in the weekly ratings, because they did not. They choose that wording, knowing they were in the following week, knowing that their previous week Wednesday show did not beat the Raw that aired in the same weekly ratings report.

Instead of waiting until Wednesday to see if they would keep their viewership up and actually beat Raw, they took the first chance they had and hyped up a weekly win that didn't happen, because I assume they knew they weren't actually going to outdraw Raw in the current week either, which ended up being true, since they did not.
Exactly this.
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Fucking hell. All these words over what is essentially “Wrestling Company Presents Numbers In A Way That Makes Them Look Better”.

You said it yourself Noid, it’s propaganda. Just like the “Record Setting Attendance” figures that WWE regularly shouts about.
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I dont understand the angst over ratings tbh. The entire industries ratings are in the toilet vs. highpoints in the past and I don't care whos side your arguing comparing AEW to WWE is like comparing apples and hippos.
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Why does it make a difference if they’re on at the same time if you can compare other weeks with each other? That’s trivial at this point.

TV ratings have always been compared to the programming that week. Raw got 1.54 million and AEW got 800k or whatever. That’s it. When Raw tanked you knew AEW was going to tank. There was a drop-off in the weeks.

Listen to yourself: “sub-key demos.” What kind of oxymoronic bullshit that? Oh, it’s a key demo, it’s just not the key demo. THAT’S WHAT KEY DEMO MEANS! You can’t have a sub-key demo.

Oh, you’ve got first place and then you’ve got sub-first place. No. You’ve got bullshit. This is propaganda designed to prop up a bullshit wrestling company for either personal or professional reasons. I don’t know if Meltzer is getting paid, but maybe it’s his reputation since he’s consulting with them, or maybe it’s the fact that TK is an idiot that doesn’t know what he’s doing but when the Observer School of Wrestling so Dave feels like it can’t fail. Maybe it’s just because he’s forced himself to watch WWE and has brainwashed himself. But this ratings talk is just not honest. And there are people who take things that they read on the internet and don’t question them, circulate them further, change the wording of even more.

Raw has never been beaten by AEW. The history books will reflect that. But unfortunately we’ll have a lot of myths because of this sort of shit.



Exactly this.
Your comparison with RAW and Nitro was dumb because you were taking shows that aired on the same night meaning their most recent show was on the same time. You somehow think that people are cherry picking stuff when its just most recent shows that was being compared and AEW didn't have their most recent show when RAW's numbers came out on a Tuesday. Nobody was randomly picking an AEW show just to boast about it beating RAW as some sort of propaganda BS you've latched onto as an excuse.

Yes you can have sub-key demos since that's what makes up the overall key demo. Those sub-demos are useful when you want to look more deeper into numbers and trends but your dumbass somehow can comprehend that being possible with all the misleading stuff about ratings you keep spewing out. AEW having a higher key demo number than RAW one time didn't come out of thin air but something that was showing signs of happening in the future but not this soon. Brandon Thurston who analysis data and ratings for a living has been pointing out for months that AEW was eventually going to top RAW at some point if the trends stayed on their current track because of the shrinking gaps and growing shift towards Wednesdays as the new major day for TV wrestling.
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Nobody was randomly picking an AEW show just to boast about it beating RAW
That is precisely what they did. Alvarez and Meltzer have never once brought up the Raw Ratings on a Tuesday before in the context that they beat the previous week's Dynamite.

Then suddenly they are hyping it up like they got 5 million viewers, and beat Raw in the weekly demos, even though they didn't and aired in a previous week.

The final report will be Raw beat AEW in the 48th week of the year, and Raw beat AEW in the 49th week of the year.

Weekly Ratings = Monday-Sunday. It is not a rolling 7 days, never has been, probably never will be. It's certainly not just because Bryan Alvarez said so.

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sub-demos are useful when you want to look more deeper into numbers and trends
How can you argue the usefulness of these demos when you are advocating that they can just ignore something as basic as what a weekly ratings report consist of?

You can't just pick and choose which parameters to follow. Nielsen says weekly is Monday-Sunday. If you don't want to follow their set guidelines, don't state how important and valuable their research data is.
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OMFG again.

They've both brought up stuff from AEW and other non-RAW shows in context of RAW ratings before when something notable happened for recent shows comparisons. This wasn't something out of the blue. What made last week talk any special was solely because a most recent AEW show managed to actually top a most recent RAW show for the first time ever.

Observer's report on the ratings had the headline of "WWE Raw ratings hit new all-time record low" and just one small paragraph talking about what AEW's most recent show did for comparisons since something notable happened between the two shows.

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For the first time ever, not only did last week's AEW Dynamite beat an hour of Raw, but it beat all three hours in 18-49 and 18-34. It is not a lock AEW will beat Raw's numbers tomorrow but it would be a surprise if it doesn't beat this Friday's SmackDown numbers on FS1. AEW has only beaten 0.41 twice this year, both times in the last two weeks.
You and Noid somehow think they've been on this high and mighty boasting crusade when that wasn't the case at all. Alvarez barely gloated about what happened anyways and the brief time he did was also in context of why this should be a huge wake up call to RAW that serious changes need to be made to the whole creative process of the show. He even gives reasons why RAW's been in a such a poor state for as long as its been and why that should not be the case considering the quality of talent on their roster each year.





I also still don't get why you and Noid are so hung up over anyone comparing stuff that doesn't strictly fit your view of a week. Even you keep bragging on Tuesdays how RAW beats AEW in viewership despite the two shows not being from the same week so don't go try telling me that I'm the one cherry picking stuff.
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Old 12-21-2020, 10:35 PM   #3513
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Crazy that AEW already defeated WWF Raw in the ratings after just over a year in existence!

Really says a lot!
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Old 12-21-2020, 10:38 PM   #3514
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Old 12-21-2020, 10:49 PM   #3515
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Old 12-21-2020, 11:07 PM   #3516
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I also still don't get why you and Noid are so hung up over anyone comparing stuff that doesn't strictly fit your view of a week.
It's not MY view of a week. I am going strictly by the company that releases the ratings view of a week.

And yes, I have said that about the ratings. You know what though, I am also not employed in the wrestling business.

I don't have an issue with you saying it specifically. I have an issue with people employed in the wrestling business saying it. I might use verbiage disagreeing with you backing their logic, but my issue is with that.
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I don't have an issue with you saying it specifically. I have an issue with people employed in the wrestling business saying it. I might use verbiage disagreeing with you backing their logic, but my issue is with that.
See here I thought you were just a piece of shit troll. Now I see... you're not a piece of shit troll. Instead, you're a fucking idiot piece of shit. No wonder you post such dumb moronic fucking posts... you actually think Alvarez or Meltzer are "in the wrestling business". They're journalists/reporters in the media business who happen to be experts in and report on the wrestling business, but they're not "in the wrestling business". That being said, they're clearly more intelligent than you and so many others in re: about how mass media and entertainment work.
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Crazy that AEW already defeated WWF Raw in the ratings after just over a year in existence!

Really says a lot!

I see what you did there...
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Fucking hell. All these words over what is essentially “Wrestling Company Presents Numbers In A Way That Makes Them Look Better”.

You said it yourself Noid, it’s propaganda. Just like the “Record Setting Attendance” figures that WWE regularly shouts about.
Yes, and they're bullshit too. Both companies can be called out for the bullshit they spew. So can we at least admit that the Observer has become propaganda?

AEW is now covering up its poor handling of concussions -- at least the talent is making the decision to do that.

Fuuuuuck them.

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OMFG again.

They've both brought up stuff from AEW and other non-RAW shows in context of RAW ratings before when something notable happened for recent shows comparisons. This wasn't something out of the blue. What made last week talk any special was solely because a most recent AEW show managed to actually top a most recent RAW show for the first time ever.

Observer's report on the ratings had the headline of "WWE Raw ratings hit new all-time record low" and just one small paragraph talking about what AEW's most recent show did for comparisons since something notable happened between the two shows.



You and Noid somehow think they've been on this high and mighty boasting crusade when that wasn't the case at all. Alvarez barely gloated about what happened anyways and the brief time he did was also in context of why this should be a huge wake up call to RAW that serious changes need to be made to the whole creative process of the show. He even gives reasons why RAW's been in a such a poor state for as long as its been and why that should not be the case considering the quality of talent on their roster each year.





I also still don't get why you and Noid are so hung up over anyone comparing stuff that doesn't strictly fit your view of a week. Even you keep bragging on Tuesdays how RAW beats AEW in viewership despite the two shows not being from the same week so don't go try telling me that I'm the one cherry picking stuff.
I don't give a fuck if the Observer has pulled that bullshit before. It doesn't make it not bullshit lol. Raw did a higher number, AEW did a lower number, Raw did an evil lower number and then AEW did an even lower number.

Did AEW both win and lose to Raw in the same week? That's the way you bullshitters want to have it.

Just admit that the shitty wrestling is getting shittier and shittier results. And as we get closer to Christmas (especially against giant-ass footballs games people actually give a shit about), interest in wrestling is going to get shifted because it is not very good.

Trying to spin AEW having their last hyped show of the year on the corona of the fucking dead of US winter is absolute bullshit and you know it.
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Your King has noticed your good work lately, and wants to offer you both the opportunity to be the head of security.

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