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#37201 |
Shelly Martinez = Ratings
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lol why does it matter what it looked like on paper if it worked on the show?
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#37202 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
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Jerichos run was overrated....except for Jericho.
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#37203 |
boop/bop/beep
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jesus christ Noid
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#37204 |
Hey Mister!
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Ahaha back in ecw they had a super famicom with a version of fire pro. Stevie richards made himself really strong and tazz really weak, and tazz wanted to legit fight him over it.
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#37205 |
Taller than Adam Cole
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I bet Stevie Richards would have won that one.
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#37206 |
boop/bop/beep
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Taz had a legit background tho didn't he? I know he's not as tough as he thinks he is but he could prolly take Stevie.
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#37207 |
Former TPWW Royalty
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#37208 | |
Taller than Adam Cole
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And I'm a Taz fan. |
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#37209 |
Tongue my Fartbox
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#37210 |
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#37211 |
Posts: 61,099
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#37212 |
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Have you ever seen a good actor in a shitty movie? Jericho was chewing the scenery. It doesn't make the show substantively good. Jericho was funny at times and he did manage to make himself really sympathetic for the Owens program. Jericho is really, really, really good. That doesn't mean everything they gave him to do was good.
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#37213 |
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Bad ideas executed well aren't necessarily good ideas. And it doesn't take a genius to say "Hey Jericho, go and be Jericho." It's nice to see Jericho making money from the company, but I could have done without pretty much all of it. Far from Jericho's most significant or best work. Some people say that it is. I say that's overrating it by quite a lot.
Most of what I saw of it was Jericho polishing turds. That's got charm to it. And that's how I'd describe Jericho's recent run: charming. But give that shit to anyone else and it fucking sucks hard. I'd rather just not see the turds. |
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#37214 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
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No Jericho couldn't make the show substantively good on his own. Did he make it better? Yes, at least during his segments. Would the show as a whole have been worse without Jericho there? Yes; we'd have had more of the same shit shoveled in instead.
When the show is comprised of a plethora of turds I'd rather my turds be polished. |
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#37215 |
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That's exactly my point, lol.
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#37216 |
His name is Jeff Harvey
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#37217 |
Shelly Martinez = Ratings
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#37218 |
Tongue my Fartbox
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#37219 |
It's a blood match!
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I've been watching some 2000 WCW and it's actually not nearly as bad as people want to remember, there was some cool stuff; however, Mark Madden is the worst color guy of all time. He's so fucking annoying, he add nothing to the story of anything and constantly tries to peak through the fourth wall and attempt to "be the voice of the internet". He's truly horrible at this job. It was pretty fun though watching Tank Abbott strip him down so that the world could see how disgusting and obese his body is.
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#37220 |
Tongue my Fartbox
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That's about the first time I've seen giant haystacks where he was much slimmer compared to the size he was in later years. Yet they still bill haystacks as 31 stone (434 lbs) and 6 ft 11 (realistically about 6 ft 5 tops). He must have been about 61 stone (over 800lbs) stone then in later life as he was more than twice that size in the vid easily. ![]() And here he is in the 80's giving a reporter a Dave Schultz. ![]() |
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#37221 | |
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This is Russo taking credit for the This is Your Life segment. No one was like "Oh, This is Your Life...awesome!" It was "holy shit, The Rock is funny." There's nothing inherently good about a "Festival of Friendship" idea. In fact, it sounds fucking shit. Jericho stealing the show despite this made it fairly memorable for modern stuff. Alleging that Jimmy Jacobs is some sort of creative genius for helping Jericho get dumb stuff over is a far cry from him being a good "writer" or even booker. More power to the guy. I liked the Lacey stuff. But WWE has vastly been shit. He has been helping writing it. I'm not going to think the dude is an amazing writer now just because he's outside the big evil company instead of contributing to it. God, people are so easily worked. Jimmy Jacobs could give your average internet fan's sister herpes, then get sympathy from them because his dick's itchy. And people say that kayfabe wouldn't work today. |
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#37222 |
His name is Jeff Harvey
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You sure do talk about dicks a lot...
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#37223 |
Grim Fandango
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Love Jericho, but any notion that he can easily turn bad writing into sure fire entertainment can easily be debunked by his own youtube show. Incomprehensible.
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#37224 |
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Lol, I don't listen to Jericho's show, but I'll take your word on that one.
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#37225 |
Taller than Adam Cole
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Chris Jericho is the Alan Rickman of professional wrestling.
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#37226 |
Former TPWW Royalty
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#37227 |
It's all Bullshit
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Let's not be too fucking hasty here...
We are talking Alan Rickman here........ |
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#37228 |
Quark is Less Impressed.
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10 points from Fastwaydore.
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#37229 | |
Shelly Martinez = Ratings
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My question, which you still haven't answered even in this essay, is why does it matter what it looks like on paper if it worked on the show? Whether or not you like who wrote it or how it seemed it would be is irrelevant if the end result is something you've admittedly enjoyed. Jericho was given an idea to work with and he crushed it, as usual. Are you unable to just enjoy that part of it without bitching? |
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#37230 |
Doin' It Right
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New Cruiserweight belt
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#37231 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
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Better looking belt imo.
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#37232 |
Resident drug enabler
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That Tweet with that pic makes him seem like a male stripper or something.
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#37233 |
Feeling Oof-y
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What’s new about the belt?
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#37234 | |
Wrestling Marks Rejoice!
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#37235 | |
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Your question is not pertinent. I have very purposefully avoided engaging with it. I actually didn't enjoy the segment. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I can accept that people generally enjoyed it though. I'm not a big fan of Jericho's latest run. I just appreciate him as a talent. But I could do without the list stuff entirely. It's been well-received though, so whatever. My point is just that I believe he deserves all the credit for that, because the things he was given to do were, in my opinion, terrible. You can disagree with me on that, and that's fine. But your question about how it ended up isn't relevant to my line of thinking, because how it was exists outside star and performance is entirely my concern. And before you go and ask the same question again, that is because that is what I am talking about. I don't care if something is shit when it is written and then turns out to be great, except when I am talking specifically about how it is shit when it's written. Within that context, yes, that is everything to do with the point I am making. Why were we talking about that? Because I asked what Jimmy Jacobs did and someone said "He's been given credit for this," and I said "Eh, I don't think he deserves credit for that." That is what we were talking about. Who takes credit is the subject matter. Not whether or not that ultimately matters. |
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#37237 | |
Wrestling Marks Rejoice!
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Dude needs a total repackage or a goddamn release. And I don't mean because he sucks at his job, but because he's deserved better for a long fucking time. |
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#37238 |
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I like Hunico, but I wonder if I have real reasons to. Like, he's strong in the ring and I liked him unmasking and he did some fun stuff with Daniel Bryan, but I also wonder if I am seeing more potential than is actually there.
But man, when he lost that mask and then got the stereotype gimmick with Tanga Loa? Wow. I felt so sorry for the dude, because it was done right away. It would have been nice to see him get a little bit of focus. I don't mind masked characters being kept away from Kalisto because you don't want to saturate people with masks, masks, masks. You kind of want them to stand out. I mean, they could just clearly define each guy and what their masks mean, etc. But they're not going to do that. Still, I've always said that they should always have built to Kalisto vs. Sin Cara with the mask on the line. |
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#37239 | |
Shelly Martinez = Ratings
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I was not asking about Jimmy Jacobs. I don't care if you like him or not. I was, and still am, asking why a segment that you enjoyed can't be seen as good because it "looked average on paper." It is completely relevant as it was a direct response to one of your posts. I realize that I'm not talking about what everyone else is, but I asked you a direct question. It's really not a hard question by any means. Though you've proven lately that you're a moron (or just an asshole), so I guess it is for you. |
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#37240 |
Wrestling Marks Rejoice!
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I think Hunico should have been a solid midcard guy instead of a constant "wait, he's still employed?" guy. Consistent US/IC threat and/or transitional champion for someone they're looking to actually build.
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