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Old 11-22-2017, 05:51 PM   #37881
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Very few things about Ziggler make any sense to me anymore and it's like he goes out of his way to play his character backwards from the way it's meant to actually be played.

Like when he was a face he'd go up for punches in the corner - one of the most basic things you could do to get any wrestling crowd involved. But after 2 or 3 punches he'd start punching so fast the crowd could no longer participate.

Then when he was a heel he started wearing the American flag on his tights despite the average American wrestling fan being obnoxiously patriotic.
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I was just thinking about this miserable brand split the other day, and how they could go about making it more interesting. I really don't know if this is a grand idea or not, but just in terms of matching up guys in terms of size and style, I divided the male rosters into heavyweights and junior heavyweights (230lbs or under). This is how they shook out (I used Wikipedia for billed weights):

Raw:

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* Apollo Crews
* Baron Corbin
* Big Cass
* Big E
* Big Show
* Bobby Roode
* Bo Dallas
* Braun Strowman
* Bray Wyatt
* Brock Lesnar
* Cesaro
* Erick Rowan
* Fandango
* Goldust
* Jason Jordan
* Jimmy Uso
* Jinder Mahal
* John Cena
* Kane
* Kevin Owens
* Konnor
* Luke Gallows
* Luke Harper
* Matt Hardy
* Mojo Rawley
* Randy Orton
* Rhyno
* Roman Reigns
* Rusev
* Samoa Joe
* Sheamus
* Shelton Benjamin
* Titus O'Neil


SmackDown:

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* Aiden English
* AJ Styles
* Chad Gable
* Chris Jericho
* Curt Hawkins
* Curtis Axel (I honestly thought he was over 230lbs)
* Dash Wilder
* Dean Ambrose
* Dolph Ziggler
* Elias
* Epico Colon
* Enzo Amore
* Finn Balor
* Heath Slater
* Hideo Itami
* Jeff Hardy
* Jey Uso
* Kalisto
* Karl Anderson
* Kofi Kingston
* Kurt Angle
* Mike Kanellis
* The Miz
* Neville (hopefully)
* Primo Colon
* R-Truth
* Sami Zayn
* Samir Singh
* Seth Rollins
* Scott Dawson
* Sin Cara
* Sunil Singh
* Tye Dillinger
* Tyler Breeze
* Viktor
* Xavier Woods
* Zack Ryder


I honestly think they are pretty interesting rosters. Even if you didn't overtly state that there were weight restrictions on the guys, they seem fairly balanced. Even Raw, with its larger guys, still has guys who can really go -- Cesaro, Samoa Joe, Luke Harper, Kevin Owens, Apollo Crews, John Cena, Randy Orton, Roman Reigns, etc. SmackDown is lighter on the star side, but it does have AJ Styles, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy, Chris Jericho (when he's there), The Miz, two of the New Day guys and, I suppose, Dolph Ziggler.

If you wanted, instead of splitting teams like Gallows & Anderson, The Usos and The Hardys, you can send the partners over to the other brand. You could call up Drew McIntyre for Raw, Lars Sullivan to begin squashing people, The Undisputed Era might actually be taken as something resembling a threat on SmackDown, etc.

Eh, it's just a thought.
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Old 11-22-2017, 06:07 PM   #37883
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Very few things about Ziggler make any sense to me anymore and it's like he goes out of his way to play his character backwards from the way it's meant to actually be played.

Like when he was a face he'd go up for punches in the corner - one of the most basic things you could do to get any wrestling crowd involved. But after 2 or 3 punches he'd start punching so fast the crowd could no longer participate.

Then when he was a heel he started wearing the American flag on his tights despite the average American wrestling fan being obnoxiously patriotic.
Yeah, somewhere along the line he just lost it. The booking didn't help. Remember when he was the heel against Crews & Kalisto in that Handicap Match?
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Old 11-22-2017, 08:38 PM   #37884
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I remember thinking that Survivor Series win he had was an incredible moment, that could have helped propel him to the next level, but they acted like it didn't even happen the next night, and no one even remembers it anymore.
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:26 PM   #37885
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:35 PM   #37887
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:11 AM   #37889
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I remember thinking that Survivor Series win he had was an incredible moment, that could have helped propel him to the next level, but they acted like it didn't even happen the next night, and no one even remembers it anymore.
I never bought into it as much as everybody else. I've never felt Ziggler since he lost the World Heavyweight Title. Even the SS win just felt like it was another guy just being jammed into that picture. They were going to push Roman Reigns and Daniel Bryan was coming back.

Besides, those guys were all buried when The Authority fired them like they didn't matter.
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:32 AM   #37890
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The visual of Ziggler, Rowan, and Ryback getting fired followed by confetti, balloons, and Stars and Stripes Forever did make me laugh really hard.
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Old 11-23-2017, 01:23 AM   #37891
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Old 11-23-2017, 02:58 PM   #37893
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This seems likes its came three years too late if their aim is to "cash in" on the "Outta Nowhere" fad thing.

Also, it looks like Orton is giving the snowman a neckbreaker, not an RKO.
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The shirt is fine, but they really could have done more with the meme when it was kicking up.
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Very true. Especially cool when you think about the guys that Undertaker didn't have chemistry with.
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According to the Observer, small possibility Lesnar won't defend the Universal title at next year's Royal Rumble due to lack of credible challengers. At the moment, WWE is against the idea of Strowman-Lesnar II although Meltzer speculated they could lean towards the idea of Joe-Lesnar II as a potential match.

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Vince McMahon is reportedly against the idea of having Braun Strowman face Brock Lesnar again at the Royal Rumble in January. For one, the match has already happened and Lesnar won clean. Second, Strowman is being readied for a match against Triple H and isn't going to be losing while Lesnar isn't going to have anyone kick out of his F5 until Roman Reigns does it at WrestleMania.

No matter what is booked, Brock Lesnar is scheduled to be appearing at the Royal Rumble in some capacity but it's possible he may not be defending his title. With Finn Balor seemingly out and Braun Strowman not a realistic possibility, the only wrestlers left are guys like Bray Wyatt, Elias, Jason Jordan - who are actually in worse position than Balor.

Samoa Joe is a possibility and would likely be the best alternative as it could be a singles match for the title.
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Cool. Don't really think the Rumble needs a Universal Title match.
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:33 PM   #37906
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:59 PM   #37907
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The shirt is fine, but they really could have done more with the meme when it was kicking up.
lol it's not fine. That's clearly a neckbreaker.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:22 PM   #37908
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Imagining Fignuts and Cool King seeing someone wearing that shirt and walking up to them, scoffing, pushing up their glasses, and saying "You realize that is clearly a neckbreaker, right?"
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:58 PM   #37909
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They aren't wrong. The shirt is a fail.
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Old 11-24-2017, 10:29 PM   #37910
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They aren't wrong because the shirt just says "outta nowhere" and not "rko outta nowhere." Probably gonna start having Orton use the swinging neckbreaker outta nowhere soon.
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:26 AM   #37911
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Rusev excelled in his initial push as the United States Champion and is coming across as highly entertaining in his current incarnation. I am not particularly sure why he doesn't have a more prominent position on the Smackdown roster.
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:41 AM   #37912
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Just put Brock in the Rumble with the stip he gets to choose his challenger if he wins, then have Roman eliminate him.

The whole thing has been such a dull build to the obvious Wrestlemania match that it's hard to give a shit about a title match either way.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:24 AM   #37913
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Rusev excelled in his initial push as the United States Champion and is coming across as highly entertaining in his current incarnation. I am not particularly sure why he doesn't have a more prominent position on the Smackdown roster.
It's pretty clear Vince doesn't see anything more in Rusev than what he's been. I'm a fan of the guy and think he could do really well at the top of the card if given the opportunity but unfortunately the only person whose opinion matters is Vince. There's a reason he jobbed in seconds to Orton at the second biggest show of the year.
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Old 11-25-2017, 02:57 PM   #37914
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Rusev excelled in his initial push as the United States Champion and is coming across as highly entertaining in his current incarnation. I am not particularly sure why he doesn't have a more prominent position on the Smackdown roster.
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It's pretty clear Vince doesn't see anything more in Rusev than what he's been. I'm a fan of the guy and think he could do really well at the top of the card if given the opportunity but unfortunately the only person whose opinion matters is Vince. There's a reason he jobbed in seconds to Orton at the second biggest show of the year.
Bulgaria doesn't have 1.3 billion people either.
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Old 11-25-2017, 06:46 PM   #37915
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Just put Brock in the Rumble with the stip he gets to choose his challenger if he wins, then have Roman eliminate him.

The whole thing has been such a dull build to the obvious Wrestlemania match that it's hard to give a shit about a title match either way.
Wouldn't that water down the Universal title? Having a world champion compete in the Rumble unless they are defending their title seems a bit odd.
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It's pretty clear Vince doesn't see anything more in Rusev than what he's been. I'm a fan of the guy and think he could do really well at the top of the card if given the opportunity but unfortunately the only person whose opinion matters is Vince. There's a reason he jobbed in seconds to Orton at the second biggest show of the year.
That was pretty evident from Owens' 365 special.
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Old 11-25-2017, 07:27 PM   #37917
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Wouldn't that water down the Universal title? Having a world champion compete in the Rumble unless they are defending their title seems a bit odd.
Well the other alternative is either Samoa Joe again or save a paydate. I don't see Balor as a legit threat since he jobbed clean to Kane.
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Old 11-25-2017, 07:30 PM   #37918
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Why wouldn't they do Lesnar vs. Kane?
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:07 PM   #37919
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Does anyone want to see that?
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I'll tell you what I do want to see. Starrcade. F U WWE.
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