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Old 01-01-2019, 04:08 AM   #1
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Well, it's official, folks. I guess I should share this:



There's going to be a press conference on January 8th or something. "Double or Nothing" is a show that is going to happen. Shahid Khan is said to be backing, there are said to be numerous television offers and Cody is said to be under contract. It looks like The Young Bucks, Hangman Page, Christopher Daniels, Frankie Kazarian and Scorpio Sky are going to be a part of the promotion.



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Old 01-01-2019, 04:10 AM   #2
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I actually like their graphics so far.
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Old 01-01-2019, 04:17 AM   #3
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I'm very optimistic about this. It will be interesting to see how Vince responds, if at all.
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Old 01-01-2019, 07:12 AM   #6
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I'll wait for more concrete information, but I'm liking this so far.
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:40 AM   #7
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:19 AM   #8
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Vince prob wont directly respond but will instead go on a talent raid and try to scoop up as many people that aew is interested in as possible. The thing is this could end up like the Monday night wars in that vinces competition will have deeper pockets than he does.
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:21 AM   #9
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I thought about this strange coincidence here too. Isnt it funny that at the same time Vince makes another foray into the football world (where Khan is from) and now Khan finally pulls the trigger and jumps into Vinces world. This could be a legit irl feud brewing. Will be fun to watch.
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:23 AM   #10
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AEW should raid WWE and make use of some of the folks being squandered by WWE. Woukd love to see guys like Dolph and Shinsuke get stolen away under Vinces nose.
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Get Fandango and make him the face of the company he deserves to be. Wrestling saved.
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:39 AM   #12
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Lol im not as high on Fandango as you guys are but he is definitely a million times better than WWE treats him. He woukd be better off elsewhere.
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:58 AM   #13
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Talent like Gallows & Anderson, maybe Nakamura, some of the recent NXT callups who never went anywhere yet should perhaps take a good long look at this announcement and consider if they're really happy with what they're doing in WWE right now.

Or maybe rethink that future contact extension or go about asking for your release.
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Old 01-01-2019, 10:12 AM   #14
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I really hope this makes it, for Noid’s sanity at least.
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Old 01-01-2019, 10:26 AM   #15
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I have no strong feelings on this one way or the other.
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Old 01-01-2019, 11:44 AM   #16
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Wrestling needs this and WWE needs it. Vince and Co do great things whe they are competing (Wrestlemania/Attitude era) and stagnate under micro management and no pressure when they aren’t (New generation and current day)

I am interested because if this guy is serious, this might just wake up the WWE.

There is definitely an audience for an exciting wrestling show. Only 2 million viewers watching RAW. Refuse to believe that everyone who doesn’t watch, isn’t interested or is just a sign of the times.

Their numbers are declining quicker than other TV shows because their product isn’t good enough. This could be what everyone needs
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I do have to wonder what talent would ask for, and be given their release.

I can't imagine top guys asking to leave WWE, and I can't see Vince giving any younger guys a release either.

That said, guys with Indy backgrounds who have been wasted and are older would be in a Prime spot.

Somebody like Tye Dillenger jumps right out to me as someone who might be granted a release and would be given a good spot in AEW.
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:09 PM   #18
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If they bring in the likes of Tye Dillinger and put them in good spots then AEW becomes the new TNA
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I wouldn't put someone like Dillinger in a good spot off the bat, which is a TNA move. He has to show he deserves it. If it were a CM Punk or a Bryan Danielson, then yes. By all means put them in a good spot.

Lower midcard guy, put him in the same spot, but give them enough time to develop their own drive. Or put them slightly higher if they come in with a new gimmick and show they deserve more.
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I mentioned this in a Facebook Group, but if AEW is to be successful, I feel like they need their top talents to have their own Youtube Channels, like "Being the Elite" or "Ten Pounds of Gold." Then you have a Channel like "AEW Event Center" that shows highlights of the various smaller channels. And you do the small shows on Twitch and have the bigger shows on whatever iPPV thing is to maximize profits.
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Brother, that's one of the plans already. This move will also bring some duds from there, too, let's not pretend all fresh starts are guaranteed STARS, dude.
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Jericho and JR are big signings if they can get them. A reason they are so big is because they are two guys who would potentially have life-time relationships with Vince basically saying we're in a post-needing Vince world. It would seem a foregone conclusion that AJ Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura would re-up with WWE, but given that they are 42 and 39 this year, signing a multi-year deal with AEW could carry them through until retirement. They would hurt Vince's feelings, which I don't think either of them would go out of their way to do, but if you wanted to have artistic freedom, work less dates (most likely), have benefits, have a major ripple effect on the business, etc. -- signing with AEW would be that thing. Especially if there are opportunities to work with New Japan.

I'm not saying that I think it's probable or even likely that either Styles or Nakamura signs with AEW. But there are reasons that shift is conceivable. If I were a worker and Tony Khan could guarantee me half-a-million regardless of whether it takes off, I'd certainly consider the offer as I approach 40 or am past it.
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I wouldn't put someone like Dillinger in a good spot off the bat, which is a TNA move. He has to show he deserves it. If it were a CM Punk or a Bryan Danielson, then yes. By all means put them in a good spot.

Lower midcard guy, put him in the same spot, but give them enough time to develop their own drive. Or put them slightly higher if they come in with a new gimmick and show they deserve more.

Lol chill guys, by good spot I mean as a featured midcarder, as opposed to being on TV once every 6 weeks as R-Truth's backstage friend.

All Elite's main eventers are going to be the guys that got a billionaire to fund a new wrestling promotion, and rightfully so.

Tye Dillinger is a perfect guy to get a spot, and see what he can make of it, something WWE has not done or given him a chance to do.
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Vince prob wont directly respond but will instead go on a talent raid and try to scoop up as many people that aew is interested in as possible. The thing is this could end up like the Monday night wars in that vinces competition will have deeper pockets than he does.
WWE have been in talent acquisition mode for a while, but honestly if I'm talent I'm holding off right now.

Trying to think as strategically as possible, and assuming Vince really does want to do his best to sabotage AEW, for whatever petty reason (or maybe he just wants to make the work for it), two outside-the-expected possibilities I'll throw out there:

1. WWE strikes an agreement with New Japan.

-This seems so out of character for Vince this millennium, but WWE has worked with New Japan before. They've got those odd agreements with UK promotions and EVOLVE. I'm sure everyone involved in AEW is prepared for an environment where they aren't going to get New Japan's assistance, but it doesn't really make sense for NJPW to not work with AEW. That is unless, of course, something bigger comes along. If Vince really wanted to make sure the biggest story was something other than AEW, him showing up with Daniel Bryan to New Year's Dash would grab those headlines.

-This would also cut out a lot of the perceived leverage AEW has to sign guys like AJ Styles, Shinsuke Nakamura, Kenny Omega and even Chris Jericho. If you want to work for #2, then you have to work for #1 and can't work for #3.

2. Vince McMahon announces that WWE programming is still going to air Tuesday even after SmackDown moves.

-This seems much more WWE. Oversaturate the market. Hell, I could see this actually backfiring on them, because the last thing we need is more WWE content, but I've thought this is at least a possibility even prior to AEW. But there's no doubt that a WWE produced show is probably going to kick AEW's ass in the ratings, should they go head-to-head. Announcing that he's not going to leave Tuesdays might be a way to scare off television networks that are considering giving AEW a sizable deal.

-WWE has to restructure a lot when they move to Fridays. WWE crew have been working Monday and Tuesday for years and years. With the current system in place, WWE could keep things going as they normally do, try and sell a two-hour Tuesday block and make even more of a profit, and use a different team on Fridays for SmackDown, maybe even giving it a different production feel. I imagine they'd probably run house shows on Tuesdays after the move anyway, and they aren't doing too well business-wise, so why not just make a TV show and try and make money out of it?
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The only one who could jump ship from WWE right now that would make me watch is Becky Lynch.
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I'd definitely watch if they got AJ or Nakamura. I'll be doing my best to watch anyway to give them a chance.

In a weird sort of way, they've caught WWE in an odd position. I don't want to say "vulnerable," but their creative content has never been more bland. I mean, that dissatisfaction is what helped make All In a success. But on top of that you have Vince pulling out millions to start another football league. You have them going for Friday nights. You have them spread out with all these content commitments and when they are yet to find that next star that can take over from Cena and Reigns. And you've got them at a time where they've managed to make wrestling TV valuable, which might be a double-edged sword to them in the end if they end up pricing themselves out of certain agreements.

I stress that I am not saying this is a Vincekiller or anything like that. Lol, no. It's just that WWE have created the perfect environment for their to be more affordable, potentially better quality substitutes to their programming.

How bizarre is it that we live in a world where AJ Styles could potentially jump to AEW this month -- there's nothing stopping him -- and then WWE have a competitor's top star front and center on their latest video game cover. God, the perception of that would just be amazing.
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I'm curious as to who they get to be agents for it. My pipe-dream is Bret Hart, but I'd like to see them make a go for Christian too. He seems less interested in maintaining a relationship with WWE than Edge does. Would love for JR and Christian to be the commentary team too. I think they will get Callis to do it though, which will suck.
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ProWrestlingSheet reporting Cody is EVP of the company and The Young Bucks are the bookers, with Tony Khan as Company President and other members of the Elite expected to work as agents for matches.
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Good for Cody. Not sure how The Young Bucks will go as bookers or how they will go as agents, but more power to them.
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Apparently the owner of AEW is a long-time subscriber to the Observer Newsletter which could have been a reason why Meltzer became more confident as time went on about this new promotion being legit and not just some crazy rumored idea.

If he got any inside info from the owner, made it a lot easier to piece together whatever the Bucks were feeding him since its well known they are one of his biggest sources in the indies.
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AJ Styles isn't going anywhere. He has been giving the keys to the castle so to speak. The guy isn't just around the main event, he is the #1 guy in the company with Roman gone.

They treat him like the talent he is, and I doubt he ever works anywhere else again.

Shinsuke could certainly go, but everything that I've read suggest he wants to do more in WWE for his legacy.

I think of the bigger names, it would be Gallows and Anderson, and maybe Sami.

Finn doesn't really have the relationship with the other Indy guys, as he hasn't really been an Indy guy working the circuit since before he was a mainstay in Japan. Plus with his sudden renewed push, walking away would be foolish.

Ziggler isn't leaving as long as WWE continues to allow him his outside projects and comedy shows. He also would not get a better spot in AEW, he just feels like he would be out of place anywhere outside of WWE.

I could see Ryback end up there. He seems to have a good relationship with Cody, and he only seems to take bookings for big money. I could easily see them bringing him in and seeing if they can beat him up again.
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Apparently the owner of AEW is a long-time subscriber to the Observer Newsletter which could have been a reason why Meltzer became more confident as time went on about this new promotion being legit and not just some crazy rumored idea.

If he got any inside info from the owner, made it a lot easier to piece together whatever the Bucks were feeding him since its well known they are one of his biggest sources in the indies.
There was always smoke to the fire. It was such an odd rumor to just make up re: the Khans.

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AJ Styles isn't going anywhere. He has been giving the keys to the castle so to speak. The guy isn't just around the main event, he is the #1 guy in the company with Roman gone.

They treat him like the talent he is, and I doubt he ever works anywhere else again.

Shinsuke could certainly go, but everything that I've read suggest he wants to do more in WWE for his legacy.

I think of the bigger names, it would be Gallows and Anderson, and maybe Sami.

Finn doesn't really have the relationship with the other Indy guys, as he hasn't really been an Indy guy working the circuit since before he was a mainstay in Japan. Plus with his sudden renewed push, walking away would be foolish.

Ziggler isn't leaving as long as WWE continues to allow him his outside projects and comedy shows. He also would not get a better spot in AEW, he just feels like he would be out of place anywhere outside of WWE.

I could see Ryback end up there. He seems to have a good relationship with Cody, and he only seems to take bookings for big money. I could easily see them bringing him in and seeing if they can beat him up again.
I'd have agreed with you about AJ Styles until recently. I dunno, something in the zeitgeist has changed. Everything you've said about him is true. If he left now, Vince would probably never forgive him. But artists are artists sometimes, and he's 41 and thinking about retirement. If the Khans can come up with a very real money offer, it's not like he needs to work for WWE.

Nakamura is a similar boat. They've looked after him and I bet he's got a close working relationship with Vince. That being said, if he decided he wanted to stay in the US but didn't like WWE travel or his output there, he might choose to go elsewhere for more freedom, a reduced schedule, better health benefits, etc. I do think both he and Styles will re-sign with WWE for at least another cycle, but it is within the realm of possibility that Nakamura looks at his new WWE offer for two years or whatever, and realizes that he is exhausted and bummed out only 20 months into his main roster tenure, so he wouldn't even be half-way.

Gallows & Anderson leaving when their contracts are up would not be shocking in the least. But they might just take WWE for more money to sit around grinning at botch videos.

Finn and AJ have worked together. It's hard to really read these guys because the landscape and how they plug in is completely different. Balor is not young. If the Khans offered him a good chunk of money for two years work, maybe he would not be opposed?

Ziggler's a guy that I think lots of people think about leaving, but I'm fairly certain he just signed a new WWE contract. Sami really sounds like he wants to leave, but I can't see them willingly releasing him at this point.

Ryan Reeves is probably someone they've considered using, but I wonder if he really fits the aesthetic and the style of the promotion.
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I'd have agreed with you about AJ Styles until recently. I dunno, something in the zeitgeist has changed. Everything you've said about him is true. If he left now, Vince would probably never forgive him. But artists are artists sometimes, and he's 41 and thinking about retirement. If the Khans can come up with a very real money offer, it's not like he needs to work for WWE.

Nakamura is a similar boat. They've looked after him and I bet he's got a close working relationship with Vince. That being said, if he decided he wanted to stay in the US but didn't like WWE travel or his output there, he might choose to go elsewhere for more freedom, a reduced schedule, better health benefits, etc. I do think both he and Styles will re-sign with WWE for at least another cycle, but it is within the realm of possibility that Nakamura looks at his new WWE offer for two years or whatever, and realizes that he is exhausted and bummed out only 20 months into his main roster tenure, so he wouldn't even be half-way.

Gallows & Anderson leaving when their contracts are up would not be shocking in the least. But they might just take WWE for more money to sit around grinning at botch videos.

Finn and AJ have worked together. It's hard to really read these guys because the landscape and how they plug in is completely different. Balor is not young. If the Khans offered him a good chunk of money for two years work, maybe he would not be opposed?

Ziggler's a guy that I think lots of people think about leaving, but I'm fairly certain he just signed a new WWE contract. Sami really sounds like he wants to leave, but I can't see them willingly releasing him at this point.

Ryan Reeves is probably someone they've considered using, but I wonder if he really fits the aesthetic and the style of the promotion.

Oh I think AJ gets a reduced schedule when he reups, probably Orton's schedule in terms of dates per year, but even less house shows so he isn't off TV at all.

AJ leaving would be the only one that shocked me. I would be surprised if Finn left, but not shocked.

Shinsuke I only feel like he is staying based on things he said, otherwise he would be a front-runner for AEW to go after.

I could honestly see Ryback in a bodyguard/enforcer role with AEW. Play to his skill set and let the guys who can go have the good technical matches.

I also think it helps Ryback that he never showed up in Impact, so he still has that aura of "oh wow they got him to come back, AEW is different".

I just hope they don't bring in a bunch of guys that haven't done anything in 5 years just because, like when TNA had the Nasty Boys come in like they were as good as the Dudleys lol
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AJ seems like a really loyal kind of guy. To a fault even. 0% chance he goes, imo.
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AJ seems like a really loyal kind of guy. To a fault even. 0% chance he goes, imo.
why would aj want to leave he is happy where he is at an getting pushed. now the tag teams a lot of them should leave when contracts are up.
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I hope they get a good tv deal. I don't expect them to be WCW overnight but long-term I'd love to have two major feds again.

It will be interesting to see if AEW can draw not just hardcore fans but create new fans as well. New fans will be key to continued success for WWE and AEW in the future. I bet Khan will invest some serious $$$ into production values.
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