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Old 12-19-2024, 02:04 AM   #16121
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AEW worth 2 billi!!!! sick league
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Old 12-19-2024, 03:49 PM   #16122
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AEW isn’t even worth 2 billion yen.
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Old 12-19-2024, 04:33 PM   #16123
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The problem is clear and in an ideal world it would signify to arm chair bookers everywhere that no matter how much they like the smell of their own farts they dont know shit about booking.

It wont though. Theyll think the problem is localized to TK. It isnt. Just like this should also signal that if you had infinite money you wouldnt suddenly become successful. You would fail miserably and die broke.

Promoting events is hard. Running a business is hard. You need talent as much as you need opportunity. And yeah holy fuck does tk not have any. The guy walked in with a carefully constructed product with hot angles and hot workers and a counter culture it factor that you cant manufacture and squandered it entirely.

It wouldnt fix because AEW is a meme now but he's gotta give up the book. Its not working. Its objectively not working.
It is a bit beyond "Tony needs to give up the book"... he also needs to alsi actually delegate responsibility and actually listen to oeople who know what the fuck they're doing about the business of wrestling. As opposed to saying shit like "that's a good question..." and then proceeding to not answer said question.
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Old 12-19-2024, 04:54 PM   #16124
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That’s very true. There are so many intangibles when it comes to running things. TK doesn’t seem to have the talent to manage people — especially wrestlers and their politics. It’s also more than just putting names on paper against each other and having someone go over with a move. Being a worker helps you understand how to book through the action — not just around it.
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But even there, he's already proven he can't even "book around" the action. There is zero action. "I have X talent now, and they can have a match against Y and Z and possibly W... for the next three weeks! Dream match!" Even if that talent having matches against those other three names could have been potentially stretched over the next six months and getting folks to at least tangentially care about the lead up to them finally having said match.

For example, Ricochet vs Bandito could have potentially been a blockbuster match for AEW. And I'm writing it off already. Why? Because not only do I know Tony is going to blow that load as soon as he can possibly get them in the same ring... And not only do I think the match will be set up ASAP to pop a number for Rampage or Collision instead of headlining a future PPV (and I don't mean the very next PPV)... I already know he already treated Ricochet the same way, so he doesn't mean as much as he did when he came in.

So, with all that "math", I know they're both just going to be another flippy guy on a roster full of them by next March because Tony doesn't have the impulse control to play the longer game. And, in that same stretch, he's going to come up with another dumbass gimmick to push on par with The Librarians, Orange Cassidy, that pizza guy, and Hologram.
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Old 12-21-2024, 08:58 PM   #16125
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You’re correct, sir. Sorry that my replies are not lengthy, but you pretty much nail it.

Very smart of them to embarrass Ricochet 2 weeks ahead of him scheduled to headline the Tokyo Dome. That AEW/NJPW relationship has to be strained.
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Old 12-22-2024, 11:24 PM   #16126
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To be fair, Ricochet embarrasses himself no matter what AEW does
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Looks like I've been proven wrong... thanks to the dropkick concussion upon Bandito's return, he's minimized faster than I predicted.
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Nielsons ratings are so inaccurate that theyve been ruled in court that theyvebeen barred from being used to uphold contracts at any level. The MRC disaccredited Nielson in 2021. After 19 months in 2023 Nielson was able to get reacredited by the MRC. They still are working to get their legal standing back.



Tl;dr they arent exactly the industry standard
What is the industry standard then? How does any of this work?
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The larger point, though, is that those numbers are being cherrypicked for moving goalpoasts.

For example, a lot of responses as of late have been about how Meltzer will spin the importance - or lack thereof depending on the week - of the overall number or a particular demographic if hit helps AEW sound like they're doing better than WWE in any way. However, if WWE is the clear victor in any way, it will be deflected in "Oh, well those numbers aren't important" or "the lack of ratings are the fault of [insert excuse or event that is always something beyond AEW's control] or "this isn't a competition anyway" type of drivel.

Getting the supposedly coveted cash cow of "18-34 males", overall, doesn't mean what it used to. Neilson isn't compiling what is being streamed on phones or for people catching clips via YouTube or social media, or even the potential (but not likely) bump they'd get from people who load shit on their DVRs but possibly never get around to watching it.

But again, it isn't about what AEW is or isn't getting. It's not about the supposed boatload of money they got from TV rights. It's about projecting superiority for their flagship broadcasts in particular against WWE's training vessel c-show... on the occasions where there's a win or a tie.

"It only counts if we're winning" type shit.
Being cherrypicked by who, Dave Meltzer?

These conversations are circular. It's another assertion that "TV ain't what it used to be", we all know that. Repeated posts about how it's apparently ridiculous that advertisers consider working age adults to be more valuable to advertise to than children or older people. We track ratings but you can't trust the ratings because everything's made up.

Okay, so nothing means anything then. Great discussion. Shame I can't watch Dynamite any more since WBD didn't renew AEW's deal. Oh wait this thread constantly got things wrong. That's what Meltzer does!!! You're all a bunch of Meltzers!
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To be fair, Ricochet embarrasses himself no matter what AEW does
It’s crazy how guys go to AEW and just flip out. I’ll take credit for that pun. I think it’s partially the environment and culture there, partially the wrestlers’ mentalities themselves. AEW attracts a certain type of crowd.

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Looks like I've been proven wrong... thanks to the dropkick concussion upon Bandito's return, he's minimized faster than I predicted.
I guess shit happens, but it does seem to be typical AEW for a guy to crash and burn like that.
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